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What did Jesus mean when he instructed us to speak to mountains in faith?

The texts you're referring to are Matt 17:20; 21:21; Mark 11:23.

Jesus' point was not an instruction to speak thus to a mountain; rather, he was illustrating the power of faith. He was speaking hyperbolically (as Paul seems to readily acknowledge in 1 Cor 13:2), but the point is still extremely significant. Believers can do amazing things if they do it by faith; conversely, without faith it is impossible to please God. I take it that the most significant thing God permits us to is to participate in the salvation message.

When Jesus spoke of believers doing greater works than he did (John 14:12), it is my understanding that he was speaking especially about bringing the lost to Christ. Now I don't mean by this that we can effect someone's salvation; rather, I mean that God uses us to be the instrument by which someone believes.

What is truly remarkable about this is that our salvation and our sanctification are described in scripture as the work of God's strong arm or as a miracle on the level of God raising Christ from the dead

Eph 1:18-20). It is precisely because God raised Christ from the physical dead that we, too, can be raised from the spiritual dead. I can think of no greater miracle than such a transformation!

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Today, wherever you stand in regard to this question, resolve before God to grow up in your relationship with Him. Seek the "Blesser," not just the blessings, God Himself and not just His benefits.

Remember, Jesus has opened up a new and living way for you to continually enter into your heavenly Father's beautiful presence (Hebrews 10:19-20; Eph 2:18). Daily we are invited to humbly approach him with our sacrifices of praise and our supplications for help.

Each and every moment heaven extends an invitation to join the worship at the throne of grace. There's plenty of mercy there and great grace (Hebrews 4:14-16). Ask anyone who's been their recently.

They'll tell you the truth. Through his mercy we have been set free to come and truly worship our great God, Savior, and King. These are the kind of people, according to Jesus and his discussion with the woman at the well, that the God who lacks nothing is actually seeking (John 4:23)

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Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: The Holy One Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 146 Message-ID: <19164-3F6968C5-140@storefull-2198.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-18693-2376 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAg7mRrwro+s2awZ4uCyXZ2bu8cF8CFA2byVbQbTPzLkEDD6sdQW+bRVdb Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=#000000; Background="http://www.angelfire.com/mb2/memberofheart/BACKGROUND/bgstar1.jpg"; TextColor=GOLD Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:126 --WebTV-Mail-18693-2376 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-18693-2376 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable
The Holy One
There is something about holiness that scares us, and something about a person who claims to be holy that threatens us.
People like that make us feel uncomfortable, inferior, unworthy, guilty, and condemned. The less holy we think we are, the farther away from them we want to run.
That is the way some people feel about God. The thought of His holiness makes them want to hide.
That is an understandable response for the unbeliever. He has good reason to hide from an infinitely holy God who must punish sin. But sometimes people whose sins have been forgiven, and who have been clothed with divine righteousness, also draw back from Him and that is probably due to a faulty understanding of His holiness.
Satan enjoys perverting this doctrine and using it to drive a wedge between believers and their Lord.
Holiness is clearly out of style in our day, and the opinions of the day have a definite influence on the Christian's mind.
The prevailing viewpoint seems to be that nice guys finish last, that honest people never get ahead, and that clean-living people never have any fun.
We have been conditioned to accept a lack of holiness as the normal pattern of life. We expect people to be immoral, dishonest, selfish, and greedy. Books are available that teach people how to get rich by cheating others.
That's the way life is, and some of us have decided that we might as well get our share. So we accept the philosophy of the world and begin doing unto others before they do unto us.
We may even consider anybody who wants to be genuinely holy as being out of touch with reality

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So in the later episode h From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: MzLandry66@webtv.net (Dee Aka Donna) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: CHECK THIS OUT Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:09:37 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7446-3FBD9001-62@storefull-2218.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAyCksvq98A5gEzAV1/0YvSH7be0kCFQCTLTlTIKwl9F60cdTE/HG/nz+A+w== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:129 THIS NEW GROUP HAS JUST BEEN OPENED FOR JUST ONE DAY SO FAR. THIS IS ITS FIRST DAY OPENED. I JUST CREATED IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A PRIVATE CHRISTIAN GROUP WHERE BOTH CHRISTIAN MEN AND WOMEN, MARRIED OR SINGLE, OLD OR YOUNG, BLACK OR WHITE, ETC,,, COULD COME TOGEHTER IN FRIENDSHIP AND FELLOWSHIPAND MAKE NEW CHRISTIAN FRIENDS. THERE ARE SO MANY WOMENS ONLY AND MENS ONLY OR OR DATING CHRISTIAN GROUPS ON THE INTERNET TODAY BUT NOT VERY MANY THAT ALLOW BOTH MEN AND WOMEN AND IS NOT A DATING ONE. I WANTED A GROUP WHERE A CHRISTIAN WOMAN CAN POST AND SO COULD HER HUSBAND OR BROTHER, ETC...IN THE VERY SAME GROUP. THATS VERY HARD TO FIND ESPECIALLY ON WEBTV, SO I DECIDED TO CREATE ONE FOR US. AND I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO CHECK IT OUT AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN PLEASE CONTACT ME AT TheChristianCottage@webtv.net IF YOUR INTERESTED PLEASE E-MAIL ME AND I WILL ADD YOUR ADDRESS TO THE ACCESS LIST. YOU WONT BE ABLE TO POST UNTIL YOUR ADDRESS IS ADDED TO THE ACCESS LIST BECAUSE I CREATED THIS GROUP AS PRIVATE SO THAT WE DONT GET CHRISTIAN BASHERS OR PEOPLE POSTING WHO JUST ARE THERE TO PICK ON CHRISTIANS. SO PLEASE E-MAIL ME TO JOIN AND LETS GET THIS EMPTY NEW GROUP UP AND RUNNING OK? THE LINK IS BELOW. IF THE LINK DOES NOT WORK THEN SIMPLY GO TO DISCUSS ON YOUR WEBTV HOME PAGE AND TYPE IN TheChristianCottage JUST LIKE THAT WITH NO SPACES BETWEEN THE WORDS AND IT WILL IMMEDATELY BRING THE GROUP UP AND YOU JUST CLICK ON IT AND YOUR IN. THEN SIMPLY SAVE IT TO YOUR FAVORITES FOLDER AND YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND IT AGAIN IN THERE AT AN INSTANT. PLEASE JOIN, WE NEED YOU TO HELP US GROW AND PROSPER AS A NEW ONLINE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY. THANKS, DEE news:alt.discuss.clubs.private.thechristiancottage From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:37:59 -0600 Reply-To: "wreckgar" From: "wreckgar" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.charismatic, talk.religion.christian.protestant.episcopal, talk.religion.christian.protestant.lutheran, talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite, talk.religion.christian.protestant.methodist, talk.religion.christian. Subject: They're taking Christianity away from you, the Bible Prophecies are occuring and they are too blind to see it! Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:40:06 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.29.229 X-Trace: sv3-e5UIgEHa/lvL4PWBU3K2gTLduklAybOoEgZfIld8AnKcq2QBIO9/uLL7yn/rLHtTuNYKJDkdjPAnX9z!VKdbXrU5zRVyFHiJa5pe/ZCn9m+2LtBojkv+EUH+KYlhEv9iwoAf/1mK1Dg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.charismatic:133 talk.religion.christian.protestant.episcopal:122 talk.religion.christian.protestant.lutheran:101 talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:130 talk.religion.christian.protestant.methodist:141 I was listening to Bill O'Reilly today, then I saw his show.. and then heard Greg Knapp talking about it on www.klif.com 570 AM. In New York every religion but Christianity is allowed to display symbols of their religious faiths. But the ACLU, according to the news, is some how creating an impossibility for Christian monuments, memorials, displays, nativity scenes, etc. etc. etc. from being displayed. And this is now beginning to happen in Colorado too. Has anybody else heard about this? I think it's time that if you are a Christian that you put your Christian Bumper Stickers on your car, that you wear your Christian T-Shirts, that you display whatever Christian scene you want to. There is such a thing as Holy Anger, the type of anger that Jesus displayed when he knocked down the gambling tables in the Church. So there is such a thing as Holy Rebellion, as long as you are rebelling against the correct things and you do it in such a way that you do not express violent or evil anger. Stand Up, Be Seen, Don't let them intimidate you. There are Battle Angels in Heaven, represent them hear on earth. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:42:27 -0600 Reply-To: "wreckgar" From: "wreckgar" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: There Is No God... Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:44:35 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.29.229 X-Trace: sv3-UpXqV5NsrHKZr1f+7TfnQccyhAFgcBsYYVn7k7GUjaqDemmcmvb44rwYGnoVt58hVveEbeHWnjPHb2s!0fFkFSpNE/Qnlkw0Gj5gq8GlQBuk+yfdgKzRKUUS1oO+Sgyg7HKzVQ8ydvs= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:131 There is no GOD. All the wonders around us are accidental. No almighty hand made a thousand-billions stars. They made themselves. No power keeps them on their steady course. The earth spins itself to keep the oceans from falling off toward the sun. Infants teach themselves to cry when they are hungry or hurt. A small flower invented itself so that we could extract digitalis for sick hearts. The earth gave itself day and night, tilted itself so that we get seasons. Without the magnetic poles man would be unable to navigate the trackless oceans of water and air, but they just grew there. How about the sugar thermostat in the pancreas? It maintains a level of sugar in the blood sufficient for energy. Without it, all of us would fall into a coma and die. Why does snow sit on mountain tops waiting for the warm spring sun to melt it at just the right time for the young crops in farms below to drink? A very lovely accident. The human heart will beat for 70 or 80s years without faltering. How does it get sufficient rest between beats? A kidney will filter poison from the blood, and leave good things alone. How dies it know one thing from the other? Who gave the human tongue flexibility to form words, and a brain to understand those words, but denied it to all other animals? Who showed a womb how to take the love of two persons and keep splitting a tiny ovum until, in time, a baby would have the proper number of fingers, eyes, and ears and hair in the right places, and come into the world when it is strong enough to sustain life? There is no GOD? Jim Bishop is the author for "The Day Kenedy was Shot," and "The Day Christ Died." He died in 1987. He wrote this article in the 60s. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.ptd.net!news.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:25:40 -0600 From: Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Please read how Jesus Christ changed my broken life. Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:26:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.229.183.28 X-Trace: sv3-lUazHOkjBBfiQdIIr6cVQ7AZVJAG5jUNApVKzyg4o89lI2iB4Fx7VbDOyXZjV3yuEg4DmYOJM5znEGn!yIXLsWbLD0L97wKgOM4Zsf3Ty5542LFAy7U6OkQdMktSSJCeuGqqJ3v9VSBUfLh3+l7gC9mh X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:132 www.restlessheart.org This is my personal website that was just built. I hope that God encourages You through my story. RestlessHeart From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:02:03 -0600 Reply-To: "wreckgar" From: "wreckgar" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: third horn of revelations???? Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:04:14 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.29.229 X-Trace: sv3-RvKkqpnFBWDzKIcHFSL7dET74hlZ3vdBH1AXatd/i7u+xRyTVt1Hh7emna1Ic1PMsUpmv4UjMAGuPRf!y7/FnStxX13xri9uSaR9iL8VzxpBFV8srpQpQWPmRN4fDSi9gVtaChQKNCA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:133 Saturday, April 26, 1986 in Germany there was a Nuclear Plant that exploded and released thirty to forty times the radioactivity of the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki..that's a big boom with lots of flameage. Much of the plant exploded miles into the air, and firey parts fell back to the earth, and landed in the rivers. The radiation of these pieces poisoned the waters and killed many men and women after digesting it. The tractors that came into the area to cover up the debris became radiated because there was so much radiation in the area. The name of this plant was the Chernobyl nuclear power station. Chernobyl means Wormwood... keep that in mind.. Chernobyl means Wormwood... : (This next part is from REVELATIONS). Revelations 10. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. ------------------------------------ The Prophet John wrote Revelations.. think of the times he lived in. He had no idea what Nuclear was or meant or did .. He had no idea what a firey nuclear explosion was. Or that when a plant exploded that firey debris would fall back to the earth and fall out happened . He saw all of what he wrote in a Revelation and could only describe it how he knew to explain it. Read it again now, and read what happened in 1986. Wouldn't it be COOL if in 1986 that was the 3rd Horn described in Revelations?. (This was a study, not a prophecy made from Irwin Baxter, he says to take it how you want to take it) From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: MzLandry66@webtv.net (Dee Aka Donna) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: PLEASE READ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:51:40 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 125 Message-ID: <16984-3FCABACC-57@storefull-2216.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-20517-1997 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQazl49Bx1y7B4HM2u1izph+29H+wIVALZvHNkMmyh9/mo5vhvf6/jt9bzS Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=2B1613; TextColor=81633F Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:134 --WebTV-Mail-20517-1997 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi, I would like to tell you about a new group for christian men and women. I created this group because you can always find plenty of christian singles groups, and plenty of christian mens groups, and plenty of christians womens groups. But its so very hard to find a christian group where christian husbands and wives, engaged couples, or single men and women can come to chat and not be looking for a partner. Thats why I created this group. If you happen to meet someone here and it goes beyond friendship thats ok too, But if you just want to make new christian friends your in the right place. The group was just created yesterday. Please e-mail me at: TheChristianCabin@webtv,net to join. The group was created as private so that we dont get people in there who are just there to pick on christians. You wont be able to post unti you e-mail me but heres the lnk anywayso that you can check it out and see how friendly everyone there is. news:alt.discuss.clubs.private.thechristiancabin The charter is below this line. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Welcome to The Christian Cabin. A place for Christian men and women to come together in friendship and fellowship. But this group is not JUST for Christians, Its also for Pre Christians. If your not yet a Christian but you feel the curiosity or yearning to learn more about Jesus Christ and Christianity then you very well may be a pre Christian. Maybe you just want to make some new Christian friends to help you or to teach you more. If thats the case, then come on in. Your welcome here as well. All pre Christians and Christians are welcome here regardless of age, race, gender, skin color, or marital status. No matter if your black or white, old or young, single or married, Irish, or french, female or male, or anything else for that matter you are welcome here. All that we ask is that you leave all predjudices at the door so that you, as well as all of our other members can have a friendly and peaceful experience here. Ok, now that we covered everything lets start making friends. Come on in and hang your hat by the door and pull up a chair by the fireplace and kick off your shoes and lets chat a while, shall we? To join please e-mail us at: TheChristianCabin@webtv.net --WebTV-Mail-20517-1997 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit

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--WebTV-Mail-20517-1997-- From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: MzLandry66@webtv.net (Dee Aka Donna) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: PLEASE READ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:01:28 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 114 Message-ID: <21282-3FCABD18-154@storefull-2212.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-28561-1968 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRQ+1E56sTUHO1VaTVIVNwaFAralgIVAL+y3Ijti399EaHC0/JCU++6BMA9 Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=2B1613; TextColor=81633F Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:135 --WebTV-Mail-28561-1968 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi, I would like to tell you about a new group for christian men and women. I created this group because you can always find plenty of christian singles groups, and plenty of christian mens groups, and plenty of christians womens groups. But its so very hard to find a christian group where christian husbands and wives, engaged couples, or single men and women can come to chat and not be looking for a partner. Thats why I created this group. If you happen to meet someone here and it goes beyond friendship thats ok too, But if you just want to make new christian friends your in the right place. The group was just created yesterday. Please e-mail me at: TheChristianCabin@webtv,net to join. The group was created as private so that we dont get people in there who are just there to pick on christians. You wont be able to post unti you e-mail me but heres the lnk anywayso that you can check it out and see how friendly everyone there is. news:alt.discuss.clubs.private.thechristiancabin The charter is below this line. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Welcome to The Christian Cabin. A place for Christian men and women to come together in friendship and fellowship. But this group is not JUST for Christians, Its also for Pre Christians. If your not yet a Christian but you feel the curiosity or yearning to learn more about Jesus Christ and Christianity then you very well may be a pre Christian. Maybe you just want to make some new Christian friends to help you or to teach you more. If thats the case, then come on in. Your welcome here as well. All pre Christians and Christians are welcome here regardless of age, race, gender, skin color, or marital status. No matter if your black or white, old or young, single or married, Irish, or french, female or male, or anything else for that matter you are welcome here. All that we ask is that you leave all predjudices at the door so that you, as well as all of our other members can have a friendly and peaceful experience here. Ok, now that we covered everything lets start making friends. Come on in and hang your hat by the door and pull up a chair by the fireplace and kick off your shoes and lets chat a while, shall we? To join please e-mail us at: TheChristianCabin@webtv.net --WebTV-Mail-28561-1968 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit

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--WebTV-Mail-28561-1968-- From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newshosting.com!news-xfer1.atl.newshosting.com!news.primus.ca!news.primus.ca!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: CityWorkerTim@webtv.net (Tim T) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: GREAT NEWS Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:15:52 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 22 Message-ID: <10596-3FF6F8C8-59@storefull-2217.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRDg8221uE0+8MmhE9rLmEutoYxfQIUZBAtzxkYayIbnm80w3CJKjWXOI8= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:137 Hi, im Tim, I have created just a little bit ago, a new PUBLIC christian NG. news:alt.discuss.clubs.public.religion.christian.christianclubhouse I want to invite you all to join. We are going to have games, and pen pals, and fun posts and so much more. Its a christian group but its not JUST for christian based conversations. We can talk about anything within reason. You can post jokes and cartoons and talk about movies, books, your life in general, etc. No porn or sexually oriented jokes or cartons though. We want to keep it clean and friendly. Thats about the only rule for right now. There are only a few posts now because we just opened but we are picking up people like a snowball going down hill picks up snow. Its gonna be alot of fun. Please join us and tell all of your other webtv friends about us as well. Thanks and God bless you. Have a blessed new year. Sincerely, Tim From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:11:45 -0600 Reply-To: "wreckgar" From: "wreckgar" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Control Hollywood ! Pass this around Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:14:25 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.2.29.229 X-Trace: sv3-swJHj0LXGVTuo/5oWkjJodVMWawObVKXMR20NCym2FVrt9D5PcCyZ8KrAdOoCInsRV95kE4/3Q+9QTP!4ID0Z8TElvTSi/THVcAktsUUM5vhH70Fhb9Cw6DjOPfAFgSLN+sVPv/5Zlk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:138 Tired of Celebrities demanding higher and higher payments for acting? I mean they are not saving the whales, or producing better oxygen.. the world would go on with out them. All they do is PRETEND/PLAY/ACT like we all did whe we were kids. And they want 20 million dollars or more a movie to pretend and make believe????? WHATEVER! Celebrities demand higher payments.. other people in the industry see this and figure.. OK now we have to raise prices.. production people see this and think "OK Every one else is asking for higher prices.. so now I'm going to ask for higher prices" And its a vicious cycle of every one raising their price making everything more expensive for the movie goer. I really feel sorry for you people in California where I hear tickets get up to 10 dollars for a movie THAT MIGHT SUCK ! ! ! Here is an idea I had, and that I follow. Movies that are not the big bang huge budget movies like "Along Came Polly," or other people based movies.. WAIT TILL THEY COME OUT ON RENTALS. Stop paying for the high ticket prices. Or if you have a good dollar theater around you WAIT till they get there. I only see the movies like Star Wars, Matrix, BIG FISH now on the big screen because those are the only type of movie that will look good on the big screen.. the PEOPLE movies will look just as good on DVD or at a Dollar movie. Send a message to Hollywood that we know they do not do anything to contribute to the world. You all work 10 times harder than actors, and they're demanding all that money that increased movie ticket prices for you. If every one does this the message will go to them, and ticket prices will drop.. its common sense. They dont HAVE to have that much money to act.. and movies will still get made if ticket prices are lower. some families are making 30K a year.. 1 celebrity makes 20 million dollars in 3 months. Thats bullsh1t! From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 From: "Al Ernst" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: The Passion Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:12:06 -0700 Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: host180.adsl6.rupert.net X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: host180.adsl6.rupert.net Message-ID: <40724907$1@rsl2.rslnet.net> X-Trace: rsl2.rslnet.net 1081231623 host180.adsl6.rupert.net (5 Apr 2004 23:07:03 -0700) Path: number1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cyclone.bc.net!rsl2.rslnet.net Xref: number1.nntp.ash.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:139 What is the Mennonite position on the Mel Gibson movie The Passion of the Christ? I have my opinions, just want to here what the "official" position is. Thanks From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!local1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.bresnan.com!news.bresnan.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:39:30 -0500 From: "James Hoyt" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: HIV/AIDS and HCV Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:39:55 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: <_sednW9Vb8IvjiDd4p2dnA@bresnan.com> Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.144.21.192 X-Trace: sv3-5txxTXyTbQDk5WFYfvkwWqyaWuNifVI2OPHIV99SR+7THU5B99o2yoJzlEZFaWs+pynzx04McnZb3Mj!wXpXC1u3Q8AU5K2j1SNyOWOdgJXPp9MrpXwo2qEwkN7zfvy/basnu9y86nzUs5w6/ZlycrCOjyw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@bresnan.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@bresnan.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:140 New web site for those wishing to expand their information base concerning HIV/AIDS and Hepatitis. These two diseases are changing society-from family values to governmental policies. Everyone will be impacted by these diseases. . The site covers such research as Stigma, Financial, and Medical Issues. There is no medical treatment articles since these are improving daily; however, the only opinions of the owners are on the home page, the rest of the information (about 1.5 gigs) is research papers, insurance reports, and governmental reports. http://aids-hepatitisc.org/ The contents of this site are a data reserve of research reports, governmental reports and business reports on the various issues of HIV/AIDS and Hepatitis (primarily Hepatitis C). There are no opinions offer by the owners (except on the home page)-the wealth of information presented here is the corner stone of this site: from the Financial Issues (Economic concerns)-how AIDS and Hepatitis are changing the social and economic fabric of society; Stigma-the first obstacle of any newly emergent disease, to providing math models that can be used to predict the course and costs of infectious diseases. Each main folder contains 100's of reports. The information provided here is the most up-to-date source of information about these diseases and the implications that they are having on all of us, now and in the future. Thank you James Hoyt From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 From: janderson@homenetmail.com (Julia Anderson) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.evangelical, talk.religion.christian.protestant.lutheran, talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite, talk.religion.christian.protestant.methodist Subject: Satanism, Normism & Declaration of Heaven on Earth3415 Message-ID: <230695262004@NEWS.my-binaries.com> Date: 20 Jun 2004 05:24:22 -0500 Lines: 22 X-Authenticated-User: $$xz8pee$32q X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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For more details on this extremely affordable software, visit: http://www.exibitionsoftware.com From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 22:49:55 -1000 From: Tony Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: So Help Me God reaches top ten! X-Newsreader: BNews2004v20 Message-ID: <40ed09a9_4@127.0.0.1> Lines: 2 X-Authenticated-User: $$osjdndzv99i X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.bresnan.com!news.bresnan.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:28:35 -0500 From: "James Hoyt" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: So you say you believe? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:28:26 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.144.21.192 X-Trace: sv3-Id6jRkOUAtsyhTon/jYRRjjrMdFy7x8eV2ahLHWnfYX25VIuXYEZ9SAxFjWJeHSItKCwcT9lnkNFkgW!FbjEyuPgdD1a/KPDCBM6RpQ1ilE66xLM2WZsR4tyGr77596yvXpxnm0Wq/RjrTnZ3NeWO8LrN2U= X-Complaints-To: abuse@bresnan.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@bresnan.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:145 Religious forces have played an important part in shaping the world. An example of that is the spread of HIV/AIDS and Hepatitis C throughout the world. Since both diseases, by many, are still considered "God's Curse on the Ungodly," these two diseases have been driven underground and no one really knows the actual number of people infected. Because of this action, both diseases have moved from high-risk groups to the general population. Everyone is now 'at-risk' for becoming infected. Anyone who has been involved in receiving any sort of medical treatment, visiting a dentist or working in any area of medicine IS NOW AT RISK and may now be infecting their own family members. Find out the facts-saying that you believe in God is not good enough to prevent either disease. Every religious group talks of compassion and understanding for those who suffer. But because those who are now positive, fear main stream religious groups. The disease continues on. Learn more at http://www.heart-intl.net/ -- James Hoyt HEART-http://www.heart-intl.net/ "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever does." -Margaret Mead From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!internal1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.moat.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: DEMEM@webtv.net (D. Martin) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: colorado christian man Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:54:58 -0600 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <24862-41142862-578@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAjiU+lbNUh+C2rKMWEqNtLSrk8zICFCUHkLbiyt3qj8OsXJUhJtYlrqvl Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:146 http://community-2.webtv.net/DEMEM/LastDaysEndTimes/page2.html From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 From: galami@homenetmail.com (Goerge Alami) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite, talk.religion.christian.protestant.methodist, talk.religion.christian.protestant.moravian, talk.religion.christian.protestant.pentacostal Subject: Asatru, Normism & Declaration of Heaven on Earth698 Message-ID: <588935981704@NEWS.my-binaries.com> Date: 17 Aug 2004 00:31:57 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. 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Norm is the true and original personality of "God". We have done our very best to select newsgroups that are relevant to the contents of our web site. If for any reason you find this posting off-topic for this group simply send an e-mail to support@REMOVEnormism.org with the name of the newsgroup in the subject line and we will remove the newsgroup from subsequent postings. But keep in mind, how can the subject of declaration of heaven on earth be off-topic in any group? Thank you for your understanding, Normism Support Team 185385gfsiqc185385 gfsiqc185385gfsiqc From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!internal1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.moat.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: firebug2003@webtv.net (Larry) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Need a Date? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:45:58 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 2 Message-ID: <17866-4134FFA6-17@storefull-3335.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAveD6xQXBYy41lbDpulkQrG7JMGYCFHnq7tJissxYVlqx+TIeNS7BvR5Z Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:148 http://bigchurch.com/go/p9362 From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!internal1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!dimensional.com!pulsar.dimensional.com!news.moat.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: TMorgan0729@webtv.net (Thomas Morgan) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Needing Help Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 03:05:00 -0700 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 29 Message-ID: <15022-413AE4CC-26@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRg+gydQyJiQCVwoBTi2hTZK8I0MwIVAKUBFLpZlZEf74BNMDOl/vQzAesm Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:149 Hello, My name is Tom Morgan I am writing this letter in hopes that a miracle may happen. I am facing back surgery for 2 bulging disc in my lower back. I am unable to work and our bills are still coming in along with the house payment which is really why I am worried so much. My wife is also disabled and is unable to work to help out financially. I keep telling her that it will be ok and that it will all work out so she won't worry so much however I think things are going south for us in my own mind and I am just trying to keep her calm. I have never asked for any help before and feel guilty doing so but I have no other place to turn to except the power of the internet. I am a strong believer in God and I am not a junkie just looking for a way to make money for a drug habit. I just came up with this idea as I was laying in bed trying to get to sleep and trying to think of ways I can make ends meet so my wife can breath a little easier about our future. I am looking forward to going back to work because I really love my job. I am only 38 years old and have alot of years left in me to work. I am just asking for anyone out there who can spare just a little bit of help for my wife and I. I would truly appreciate it from the bottom of my heart and I am sure my wife would too. If able to help please send donation by check, money order or cash to following address Tom Morgan 3555 South Pacific Highway #166 Medford, OR 97501 Thanks and God Bless!! From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news2.euro.net!newshosting.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!diablo3.voicenet.com!newshost01.allthenewsgroups.com!not-for-mail From: "BG" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: End time... last days... tribulation... antichrist... second coming of Christ. Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:40:03 -0500 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@allthenewsgroups.com Organization: AllTheNewsGroups.com X-Trace: a114d4140793a74bb531b12057 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:150 End time... last days... tribulation... antichrist... second coming of Christ. When time as we know it ends, will you be among those who are left behind or raptured? Perhaps you have a destiny to be martyred? Or, if you're prepared, when will you be taken? I have found a stirring new book that provides fresh, startling insights into these provocative questions. Being painstakingly faithful to scripture, subjects covered include the mysterious and wicked identities of Leviathan and Apollyon, and the relevance of Job to the last generation of Saints. Also noted is how pseudo-Christian tares are separated from the wheat at The Harvest, and the ability for a Believer to escape, stand and remain unto the 2nd Coming of Christ. Finally, this stunning composition reveals what should be first in the Last Days and how those alive during the time of Great Tribulation can have power over the enemy's power. Rarely has a literary offering been so timely and needed as it is in this precarious time frame. You can get a free excerpt (Chapter 4) of the Book by emailing NotUntil@AnointedFeet.org or get information for getting the eBook or a paperback at www.AnointedFeet.org/eBooks . These guys are good. You won't be spammed. You'll get what you ask for and that's it. BG From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.bresnan.com!news.bresnan.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:38:30 -0500 From: "James Hoyt" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: New web site Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:38:37 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.144.21.192 X-Trace: sv3-d5iEA925zuLwd/ZErLF/RcULHFBY45MLZKDvMKXNbl/MxnexyVtk5Gg8tyONp4LpT3/5hEeucW8pgwt!anRahMNBWIZR6iRSm3qTlxBvRk/cylAKQqZeiHU2fNZMtbqljs84rLUhE/araCouBEDReH48mFY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@bresnan.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@bresnan.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.19 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:151 New web site that deals with the many on divisive issues of infectious diseases can be found at http://www.heart-intl.net/ Uneasiness such as: a.. Health Insurance-does the Health Insurance Industry know of these problems and what have they done to protect themselves b.. Socio-economic-how you are going to be affected by these diseases c.. Hepatitis d.. HIV/AIDS e.. International Reports f.. Institutional problems in Corrections and Mental Health Facilities g.. Legal-what laws are being used and by whom h.. Math Models that can be used to predict trends i.. Medical Problems j.. Occupational concerns-are people in the work place at risk k.. Political statements given by our elected officials from a survey l.. Problems within State Governments m.. Stigma/Discrimination problems n.. Religious Issues-how are different faith-based dealing with the problems of infectious diseases Thank you James Hoyt -- James Hoyt http://www.heart-intl.net/ "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever does." - Margaret Mead From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:52:36 -1000 From: jimbo Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: ~~~GREAT CHRISTIAN CD~~~~ X-Newsreader: BNews2004v20 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: <417954db$1_5@127.0.0.1> Lines: 28 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeed.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100, 000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. 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I bought THE BEST Christian CD yesterday. Its Country Christian (I'm not much 4 country .. I thought) But the words and the music were so MOVING! It isnt church music or clap your hands worship stuff. This CD is COOL! It is something you can play with anyone!

I saw this guy in the Eurocharts. He is number one there. So I looked him up. He really made me think after I heard his CD. Oh, his name is STEVE ZUWALA. His website is www.stevezuwala.com and you can download a FULL sample of his song heaven knows here: www.stevezuwala.com/downloadmusicSHMG.htm.

I bought his CD at Tower Records but it's cheaper on his site. $20 vs $12.95. (too bad I bought before lookin huh?)

Anyway, check him out!

Jimbo

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Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: TEST THE SPIRITS: BUSH-CHENEY POLITICAL CULT AKIN TO FASCISM IDOLATRY Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:22:28 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 379 Message-ID: <27899-4186A914-282@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRuA43fFAr/DBqjVh8bX7od2N7U3gIUPPLcL2KzrB8EF0qhNP0sZj/cs4Y= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:153 From: kkathome@earthlink.net(Karen=A0R=A0Pence) GOP AS FASCIST CULT THIS IS A HUMDINGER! =A0GIVE IT WIDESPREAD EXPOSURE! =A0K =A0 A Christian Republican speaks to other Christians Beware: the GOP has become a fascist cult By Karl W. B. Schwarz Online Journal Contributing Writer October 23, 2004=8BMany people are getting in touch with me asking about what I see, what I know, and why as a Conservative Christian Republican I am not backing Bush-Cheney and would not vote for them at gun point. I have been telling Conservative Christians that who should be howling at the top of their lungs is not the Liberal Left, it is the Far Right Christian Conservatives for they are being lied to, seduced and misled even more so than the Liberal Left. They are being seduced into fascism and that is not Christianity. Christians are admonished in the Bible to be leery of new prophets for all prophecy ended with the coming of Christ the Messiah. In the Book of James we are warned of the evil that comes from the mouths of men. James 3:5-6: "Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell." Book of James 3:9: "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in Gods' likeness. Out of the same mouth comes praise and cursing." Unless you are deaf, dumb and blind, Christians need to come to grips with the fact that Bush-Cheney are lying to the world and that is not a mark of Christian virtue, nor is it a mark that the Bible tells us to seek, or to follow as Christians. One does not have to look very far or dig very deep to find one lie after another that has come from Bush-Cheney. It is all an agenda; it is all about empowerment and greed and doing anything they wish, to anyone, and wrapping that all up as lies and spin to deceive us all. I see it very clearly and if you saw it as clearly as I do, you would not vote for them at gunpoint, either, for to do so would be making yourself a deluded Christian that is not using discernment, that is following liars, and is on the wrong course. Many Christian teachings give step-by-step advice on how to recognize a religious cult, and the same basic steps are necessary to recognize a political cult. If you know what to look for, and take the time to study closely, you can accurately recognize that Bush-Cheney is a cult of lust, power and greed, none of which are considered Christian virtues. How to Identify a Cult Here's a few guidelines to recognize a cult. If several of these apply to a group which has approached you, think twice before getting involved. * =A0=A0=A0Do they put the demands of the group before family, school, and interests? =A0 * =A0=A0=A0Are they vague about what their beliefs are until you're in the group? =A0 * =A0=A0=A0Does the leader demand unquestioning agreement or obedience? =A0 * =A0=A0=A0Is the leader a charismatic person who claims special spiritual powers? =A0 * =A0=A0=A0Does the group change your sleeping and eating patterns? =A0 * =A0=A0=A0Does the group keep you in constant group situations and promote dependency? =A0 * =A0=A0=A0Does the group feel that only they have spiritual truth and that all other groups and churches are wrong? =A0 * =A0=A0=A0Do group members keep contacting you even after you have told them you are not interested? In fact, if you look real close at Bush-Cheney and understand the fundamental dynamics of what brought Hitler to power, how he controlled the masses, how he sold the Great Lie, it is very easy to see that Bush-Cheney "Compassionate Conservatism" and Fascism are one in the same. Many hear the term "Neocon" and do not recognize that in its current operative sense, it is a term meaning New World Order Fascist. Following are the Fourteen Common Threads of Fascism and how to spot fascism. I ask that you read and think, as an American, as a Christian. Use the mind that God gave you and use discernment that the Bible warns you to use as a shield against following wrong or evil. I have taken the Laurence W. Britt section headings and written what I have to say to you Christians, coming from me as a Christian about each of those 14 points. Fascism Anyone? "Fascism's principles are wafting in the air today, surreptitiously masquerading as something else, challenging everything we stand for." By Laurence W. Britt The clich=E9 that people and nations learn from history is not only overused, but also overestimated; often we fail to learn from history, or draw the wrong conclusions. Sadly, historical amnesia is the norm. We are two-and-a-half generations removed from the horrors of Nazi Germany, although constant reminders jog the consciousness. German and Italian fascism form the historical models that define this twisted political worldview. Although they no longer exist, this worldview and the characteristics of these models have been imitated by protofascist regimes at various times in the twentieth century. Both the original German and Italian models and the later protofascist regimes show remarkably similar characteristics. Although many scholars question any direct connection among these regimes, few can dispute their visual similarities. 1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. We were purportedly attacked by al Qaeda, but Bush-Cheney do not want any of us to know who the American and foreign names are that FBI translator Sibel D. Edmonds found in translating those documents and who financed 9-11. We were told Saudis did it, but what Sibel found disputes that and Bush, Cheney and Ashcroft put a federal gag order on her so you and I cannot know whose names are on that list. Stop and think=8Bwhat does protecting the identity of American and foreign names have to do with "national security" except to prove "WHO DID IT?" 2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. If you have not figured it out yet, the USA PATRIOT Act and Patriot Act II are undermining the freedoms of all of us, treating us all as al Qaeda suspects, and is part of a larger New World Order objective. Consider this=8Bthere are some who want the American Dream only for themselves and you do not get to have it if they win. We are also having many things "done in our name" in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere that Americans would reject if they knew the truth. What is really disgusting is that both sides of the aisle are doing it to America. Their wealthy masters (contributors) are telling them to. They are making the big bucks and we are getting stuck with the debt, the dead and maimed soldiers, not to mention the burdens their families are bearing and the burdens the rest of our families are enduring, all in the name of lies, imperialism and greed. 3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The entire world now knows that Bush lied about Iraq. I have made millions come to know that the Taliban had signed a contract with Argentina based Bridas Corporation to build that pipeline we now control across Afghanistan. The shortest and cheapest route to the sea for $10+ trillion in oil and over $3 trillion in natural gas is from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, Pakistan to the ocean. 4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. George W. Bush is not Caesar and our troops are not Roman Legions out to do the bidding of the Wealthy Elite. 5. Rampant sexism. I hear one woman after another talking about how "hot" George W. Bush is and why they support him. This election is about the fate of this nation and has nothing to do with following a liar. I do not think the Stepford Wives is what ladies want to be, but there is plenty of Republican sexism and plenty of misleading to sell it as something it is not. They want your vote, other than that could not care less what you think, feel, want or need. 6. A controlled mass media. If you think you are getting all you need to know from Clear Channel, CNN and FOXNews, you need to look around and consider that maybe they are not being truthful with you, and maybe there is more going on in this world than Scott & Laci Peterson, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jackson, etc. Maybe the media is answering more to their masters than to the truth. Maybe they do not show us the facts because their wealthy masters will not let them. How can you make a decision with only lies to found a decision upon? 7. Obsession with national security. To the point of treating all of us as al Qaeda suspects, lessening our freedoms for "security" that is non-existent. Always remember, what government takes away they rarely if ever give back. Consider the words of Thomas Jefferson=8B"where the government fears the people, there is freedom. Where the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Welcome to current day America. Homeland Security is protecting the government, not you and your family, loved ones and friends. 8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Separation of church and state is so that the government cannot dictate or ordain what each of us is to believe when it comes to religion. What has slowly evolved is a circumstance where our religion elite and government elite are pursuing the same end and I do not see a healthy future in that department. God is our Lord, not George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Jesus Christ is our Savior, not George Bush or Dick Cheney. Our church is within each of our hearts, not in the idle words from Washington, DC. 9. Power of corporations protected. What you have been witnessing over the past 12-16 years is the "Corporatization of the U.S. Government" and that by its very definition is fascism. That is why the corporations grow more powerful as you grow weaker. That is why they have the American Dream and many Americans do not and will not. That is why corporate fraud is not punished but if you do anything wrong, are punished. Richard W. Behan, author of The GOP, Inc calls them Movement Conservatives, and I call them Financial Terrorists. We are describing the same thing, but he is describing the disease and I am describing in my book the etymology of how that disease is systematically ruining this nation, this world and diminishing the lives of us all; how it kills hopes, dreams, futures. Richard is a Liberal and I am a Conservative and on this, we totally agree. 10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Three million jobs lost, many of them organized labor positions and just in case one has a Ph.D or MBA, quit complaining and take the Wal-Mart job, lose your home, health care, etc. Look around you, Christians, at the hopelessness you see in the faces of those around you and the sheer indifference of the government that pretends to lead us, be us. When was the last time you saw goodness, integrity, honor, Christian values come out of DC? Such does not come from there, so be careful with your answer. 11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Extend that to include freedom of speech, freedom of dissent, etc. If you stand up against this fascism, your "report" is sent to the Homeland Security Counter Terrorism Division, which in part explains why Homeland Security is protecting this government, not this nation, and in part explains why they just cannot seem to find the real terrorists. They are almost totally focused on U.S. citizens as the terrorist they fear. In my book, I define Financial Terrorists, what they do that creates the other forms of terrorism. We are not hated for our freedoms=8Bwe are hated for abusive U.S. policies and that is driven not by you and me, but that is driven by DC and their wealthy corporate masters. Greed is not a Christian virtue. 12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Lest you have not noticed, Ashcroft is batting 0 for 5,000 in the department of nailing the bad guys. I sent a letter to President Bush, Kerry and the Democratic National Committee on September 30 and these were two of the demands for the truth I put before these leaders and wannabe leaders: 2. I demand to know what energy companies were in that Cheney Energy Task Force meeting and what discussions there were as to the steps that would be taken to remove the Taliban and Bridas Corporation as the last remaining obstacle to the United States controlling the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline. I met that company in 1999 and have known since then about the Bridas v Unocal, $15 billion interference of contract lawsuit in US District Court, Southern=A0District of Texas. I also know about the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals decision on September 9, 2003 that upheld the Bridas $500 million arbitration settlement and the March 22, 2004 denial of Writ of Certiorari at the United States Supreme Court, Case 03-1018, Turkmenneft v Bridas 3. I demand to know how many prisoners are being held at GITMO and other places that are either BRIDAS EMPLOYEES or are persons that know all about Bridas Corporation and what your administration did to get control of that Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. This administration is more focused on defending themselves against Americans who do not buy off on their lies than looking for al Qaeda. They are more concerned about four more years of entitlement to plunder this nation and others abroad. They are totally focused on taking over trillions of dollars worth of oil even with lies and making war to do so. That is not a mark of Christian virtue. 13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Just look at Cheney-Halliburton and one should have all they need to know. Look at the "no rule of law" brought against Enron, Tyco, Williams Communications Group, Global Crossing, etc., etc., etc., and the millions of investors plowed under the in wake. You are poorer and they are wealthier than ever. When you figure out that the robber barons are the major campaign contributors to both parties and they want "legal rights under color of law" to plunder you, let me know. You will have had an epiphany. 14. Fraudulent elections. The 2000 Election still stinks to high heaven. If you have not heard, all across the U.S., Republicans are signing up people to vote. If Republican, those are being recorded; if Democrat, being discarded in the trash. That is not American; that is abusive, deceitful and un-American. Check Voter Fraud, KLAS, George Knapp, Las Vegas, NV. I spent election night 1994 with RNC Finance in Washington, DC at the Renaissance Hotel, 10th & K Streets, at the table of William J. McManus, former RNC Treasurer. I pulled out of the RNC (Republican National Committee) when I learned that the Contract with America and the media spin was actually a Contract On America. It is all about Big Corporate business and socially malevolent to folks like you and me. Look close, pay attention. Remember ladies and gentlemen, the U.S. government is not America, merely the instrument of government in America. We are America, not them. U.S. Corporations are not America, merely businesses based here. We are America, not them. When they lie to us to lead us, they do not deserve to lead us. This is in Chapter 1 of my book. You would be wise to read it and heed it: "It is not a pleasant thought, or one that's often discussed, but lies are at base coercive. Deceit is a form of control. More than a few philosophers have compared the coercive force of lies to the power of violence. So even if they are common, they are not as benign as people pretend. Lies undermine the value of information, each one leaving us less able to trust the truthfulness of what we hear=8Bor read, as the case may be. Lies are more subtle than guns, but as threats to personal freedom, they should be regarded as no less dangerous."=8BMara Leveritt in the Arkansas Times Consider what you are voting for November 2: "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."=8BThomas Jefferson Do you want Our America, or their Fascist Amerika? What you just read is what they have done to Our Nation. Through slow operations they have perverted it into tyranny. Karl W. B. 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I bought THE BEST Christian CD yesterday. Its Country Christian (I'm not much 4 country .. I thought) But the words and the music were so MOVING! It isnt church music or clap your hands worship stuff. This CD is COOL! It is something you can play with anyone!

I saw this guy in the Eurocharts. He is number one there. So I looked him up. He really made me think after I heard his CD. Oh, his name is STEVE ZUWALA. His website is www.stevezuwala.com and you can download a FULL sample of his song heaven knows here: www.stevezuwala.com/downloadmusicSHMG.htm.

I bought his CD at Tower Records but it's cheaper on his site. $20 vs $12.95. (too bad I bought before lookin huh?)

Anyway, check him out!

Jimbo

From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.moat.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: wholefoodfarmacy@webtv.net (Wholefood Farmacy) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Food Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:45:31 -0800 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6570-42068FFB-132@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ4y8A/wJL0oc0+jH56BXfqMPs73gIUU+P+3OVvSjNMok3vMXk8SlXCBGI= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:159 http://www.take.wholefoodfarmacy.com From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.148.112.35 From: "lharmen" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: YOU ALL NEED TO SEE THIS JAW DROPPING PROOF THAT THE U.S. ADMINISTRRATION WAS 100 % BEHIND THE SEPT 11 ATTACKS Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:07:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.70.95.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1119550034 24.70.95.207 (Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:07:14 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:07:14 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:160 http://www.abbaswatchman.com/PAGE%201%20VIDEOS.htm GO HERE TO SEE THIS MOVIE ONLINE THIS MOVIE IS A MUST SEE THIS MOVIE EXPOSES THE TRUTH BEHIND THE 9 11 ATTACKS AND SHOWS 100% PROOF IN CHAPTER 3 THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION USED CONTROL DEMOLITION TO BRING THESE BUILDINGS DOWN . This movie shows the Bush administration was intimately involved in the 911 attacks on the trade center complex . . Norad stood down for the first time in their 46 year history due to simulations of exactly what happened . War games were cover for the operational execution of 9/11 . Pilots say no way anyone flew the remote controlled planes into the towers . The fire fighters are on record saying the fires were almost out . People are seen waving in the impact holes is solid proof that there was no 3000 degree fire . Fire fighters commented on how the fall of the Towers looked to have been a planned demolition . No skyscraper has ever fallen from fire in the last 50 years . A 37 story building in Madrid burned for 17 hours and it did not fall . Secondary explosions were heard from many news reporters and officials . Explosions can be seen in footage of the towers as they are brought down . Building seven was a 47 story building which was not hit at all but fell . Silverstein admitted that building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition - this is on video . The evidence that explosives were used is overwhelming . Silverstein bought the entire World Trade Center Complex 3 months prior to 9 11 . Norad's power for the first time was taken from the General and given to Dick Cheney 3 months before 911 . Silverstein took out a record insurance policy 3 months before 911 . Marvin Bush ran the security for the trade center complex and his contract ran out sept 11 th . Marvin Bush enacted martial law in Florida sept 7 th and enforced it sept 11 th . Top Pentagon officials were warned not to fly Sept 11 th . 100's were warned in advance that the towers were going to fall . An entire floor of one of the Towers received an email four hours prior to the collapse and all were told to leave . Rudolph Giuliani admitted he was warned prior to the collapse of building 7 - this is on record . Condoleezza Rice was warned prior to the attacks . Many many nations warned the Bush administration of coming attack - lots of proof of this on this video . Seven of the supposed highjackers are still alive . German defence minister confirms CIA involvement in 9 11 . All levels of the US govt are coming forward with proof of the Bush Administrations Inv in 9 11 . Russian expert says the US created 9 11 to reshape the world . The list is enormous ! You must buy this video and get the word out !!! . This movie shows the Bush administration and the Christian elite taking part in ancient Canaanite rituals which is completely against Jesus teachings GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU WHO WATCH THIS AND PASS THIS PAGE LINK ON AS WE NEED TO SHOW THE WORLD THIS FULL COLOR PROOF . From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!pd7cy2so!shaw.ca!pd7tw1no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 68.148.112.35 From: "lharmen" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: THE SOON TO COME NUCLEAR WAR IS BEING PREPARED ! Lines: 204 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:07:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.70.95.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw1no 1119550054 24.70.95.207 (Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:07:34 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:07:34 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:161 THE SOON TO COME NUCLEAR WAR IS BEING PREPARED ! http://www.abbaswatchman.com/NEWS%20THE%20SOON%20TO%20COME%20NUCLEAR%20WAR%20IS%20BEING%20PREPARED%20TODAY.html 24 nations have nukes and they are going to be used , Psalm 97:3, Isaiah 66:15 and Ezekiel 20:47. Russia makes that first invasion and a fire devours before them, Joel 2:3, and the prophet sees as Russia is pushed back, blood, fire, pillars of smoke and nuclear effects Joel 2:30. Then the second wave occurs as China moves into the Middle East and the kings of the East, Revelation 16:12 and there is nuclear fire for Revelation 9:18 says, by these three plagues a third of the men kind was killed by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone .... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- RUSSIA IS PREPARING FOR WAR TODAY CHINA IS PREPARING FOR WAR TODAY CUBA IS PREPARING FOR WAR TODAY WITH AMERICA IRAN IS PREPARING FOR WAR TODAY WITH AMERICA SYRIA IS PREPARING FOR WAR TODAY WITH AMERICA NORTH KOREA IS PREPARING FOR WAR TODAY WITH AMERICA VENEZUELA IS PREPARING FOR WAR TODAY WITH AMERICA *** Putin has said that within a year this action in the Ukraine will happen to Russia .*** *** China recently threatened to attack Taiwan and if they do then they are at war with the U.S. . Taiwan and the U.S. have a war agreement which still stands today . So if you fight Taiwan then you fight the U.S. . *** MORE NEWS LINKS FOR THE ABOVE STATEMENTS : RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE IN WAR GAMES TODAY = http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2005/03/18/russian_general_denies_war_games_plans?mode=PF RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE IN WAR GAMES TODAY = http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=595133 NEWS FOR CUBA = http://www.boston.com/news/world/latinamerica/articles/2004/12/20/defense_drills_praised_amid_castro_warning/ NEWS FOR CUBA = http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/world/10455075.htm NEWS FOR CUBA = http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1204/195368.html NEWS FOR IRAN = http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1194142/posts PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE NEWS FOR IRAN = http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40045 PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE NEWS FOR IRAN = http://www.command-post.org/nk/2_archives/014610.html PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE NEWS FOR IRAN = http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=3131 PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE NEWS FOR SYRIA = http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=506591 HAS BEEN PREPARING FOR WAR SINCE THE FIRST ATTACK FROM ISRAEL NEWS FOR NORTH KOREA = http://www.southbendtribune.com/breakingnews/posts/3355.html PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE NEWS FOR NORTH KOREA = http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20050524-0809-nkorea-nuclear.html PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE NEWS FOR NORTH KOREA = http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-05-24-koreas-nuke_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE NEWS FOR NORTH KOREA = http://www.wusatv9.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=39890 PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE NEWS FOR VENEZUELA = http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11124831/11378954.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp NEWS FOR VENEZUELA = http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/16/173523.shtml ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This is a direct quote from Hal Lindsey's book "Final Battle". page 239 " the next verses tell us which countries will be joining Russia in his invasion : Persia, Ethiopia, Put, Gomer, Beth-togarmah . Persia, is of course, modern-day Iran, but the ancient Persian Empire was much more , including what is today Pakistan through turkey and much of the true Arab world including Egypt . Ethiopia is a reference to part of Black Africa - the modern Islamic nations of Ethiopia, Somalia and Sudan. So some of those nations will be a part of this coalition. The descendants of ancient "put" are found in Libya, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Mauritania. All of which are Islamic nations. Gomer is an area in eastern Europe - including several nations which have been under Russian influence . Togarmah was a son of Gomer. Part of his family settled in the Baltic states we know as Estonia , Lithuania and Latvia. Others settled in Turkey . Turkey is surely being drawn into the Islamic world ." This book was copy righted in 1995 . this attack is sudden and come upon an unsuspecting world ! some of this proof can be found in Ezekiel 38:13 . These countries I have highlighted are all very angry with America today . Read the Babylon page and read through the news headlines in the world link and the other news links to see this for yourself . The Black Pope is in complete control of all of our countries and if you read the whole Sorceries page you will see this for yourself as Satan will take the form of a human and all nations will be beast nations in the last days . WE WILL SEE JESUS SOON Russia attacks first then China comes up the back with Iran = Persia , Libya and many more countries with them . It is all lined up against Israel = Ephraim and Manasseh . Ephraim today are the British Common wealth nations , United States, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa. Manasseh today is the nation of Israel . I had hoped it wasn't so but it is . This is what prophecy has described would happen and it is setup just as the Lord told us it would be. Genesis 48:16 (Jacob, was named by God Israel, said) and let my name be named on them, and Genesis 48:19 I know it: he (he = Manasseh) also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother ( Ephraim) shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. The British Common Wealth nations have certainly received the birth right blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . Remember that Manasseh resided in Jerusalem after he was released from Babylon after he found God. God called Babylon a harlot and calls Jerusalem a harlot . The seven mountains that the harlot sits are the U.S. Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, and Israel . All of these nations have the war on drugs (we use sex as a weapon) they do this in the name of Jesus . God is angry with them who have gone off whoring after their god . They worship the wrong god and don't know they are doing this. Read the whoring page for more proof of this ! Hosea 5:9 Ephraim shall be desolate in the day of the rebuke. Manasseh is the physical land of Israel today . They won't get completely destroyed just Jerusalem and the wall . All of them against all of us . God will serve the Saints = Ephraim and Manasseh up to Gog ! Because our countries have gone whoring after god . This is the adultery God was talking about . Revelations 19 is the supper .There had to have been a Wedding first 2 Corinthians 11:2 and Matthew 25:10 are the Wedding in heaven. When we are joined to the body of our Lord Jesus Christ, through baptism, we are essentially engaged to be married to Jesus . Jesus said that Israel has gone whoring after other gods and when they did this they died it is called Baal worship or devil worship . Jesus says they will do this and not know they are doing this. Again read the whoring page for more proof of this ! These Countries who are preparing for war are the descendants described in Ezekiel 38/39 . They will attack on the , obviously nuclear, day that the Lord returns. Read the Nuclear Page and know that the attack comes upon the whole world. The Lord is angry with all nations even Canada . If you want to attack America , Britain and Australia then you will have to attack America's 140 bases as well as Britain's and Australia's bases world wide . NOW LET ME BE VERY CLEAR !!! THERE IS NO WAY THAT ALL OF THE ABOVE IS SET UP AS PROPHECY DESCRIBED IT WOULD BE AND THE U.S. AND ISRAEL AIMING TO DESTROY DAMASCUS AT THE SAME TIME . THE LORD WILL RETURN SOON ! WHEN YOU SEE THE ARMIES SURROUND JERUSALEM. THEN LIFT YOUR HEADS BECAUSE IT WON'T BE LONG UNTIL WE ARE MARRIED TO JESUS ETERNALLY ! AS LONG AS YOU HAVE ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS AND HAVE CHANGED YOUR WAYS !!! AMERICA AND ISRAEL ARE SETTING DAMASCUS UP FOR THEIR DESTRUCTION SOON ! ******* THE U.S. IS AMASSING TROOPS ALONG THE SYRIAN BORDER TODAY JUNE 15 ******* AT THE DOOR STEP *** ******* THIS MUST READ REPORT SHOWS THE U.S. IS READY WITHIN MONTHS TO ATTACK IRAN JUNE 8 ******* AT THE DOOR STEP *** ******* MANY IN THIS REGION FEAR THAT DAMASCUS COULD BE NEXT ON AMERICA'S HIT LIST FEB 27 ******* ******* ISRAEL WARNED IT MAY ATTACK SYRIA IN RETALIATION FEB 27 ******* MOST IMPORTANT *** *******THE U.S. THREATENS TO MAKE SYRIA THE NEXT TARGET ON ITS TERRORISM HIT LIST FEB 3 ******* ******* THE U.S. MAY BE PREPARING TO TAKE ARMED ACTION AGAINST IRAN AND SYRIA VERY SOON JAN 22 ******* WHEN SYRIA DAMASCUS GETS DESTROYED WE SEE OUR MAKER .DAMASCUS SYRIA WILL BE A HEAP OF RUIN - ISAIAH 17:1 ISAIAH 17 :1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. ISAIAH 17 :7 At that day shall a man look to his Maker, and his eyes shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel. AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF DAMASCUS THEN WE WILL SEE GOD ! THE LORD WILL SAVE US FROM THE HOUR ! From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 X-Proxy-User: $$sqmxm6 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 02:02:55 -0500 From: Kristina Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Bring My Children Home X-Newsreader: BNews2004v20 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: <42cb831b$5_1@spool9-west.superfeed.net> Lines: 15 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, support, nor tolerate spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to . Forward a copy of ALL headers INCLUDING the body. (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100, 000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. 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From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!feeder1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.moat.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator3-LAX.newsfeeds.com!news-in.usenet.com!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Innominatus@webtv.net Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Terrence's Prayer Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:34:31 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 57 Message-ID: <19855-42E05B37-339@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQHbi5fLHDWwlmkwCcdTJwlNq0qjwIVALzGKSpD3m8IcgXHeqV/6+SPJ2fR Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:163 Note to reader: Terrence is a friend I met on the streets I travel. He is also known as "T" or "Uncle T". Those who travel in certain circles will know him by that latter name. A sentence or two below is incorporated from an AA prayer; but this is T's original work. I felt it worthy of being passed on. ******************************************** =86=86=86=86=86=86=86=86Terrence's Prayer=86=86=86=86=86=86=86=86 Dear God, dear Jesus, dear Holy Spirit, Please God bless everyone I pray for on a daily basis, everyone I come in contact with on a daily basis, everyone I have ever come in contact with, everyone I have loved in my life, everyone who has loved me, everyone who has helped me, everyone I have helped, everyone who has hurt me and everyone I have hurt. Please forgive us for our transgressions and bless us for our good works, deeds, actions, words and our thoughts. Please bless us all with good health, happiness, prosperity, sincerity, serenity, pureness of thought and help us with our: Anger-Actions Patience-Reactions Resentments and stinking thinking. Dear God, thank you for my life, Dear Jesus, thank you for my life, Dear Holy Spirit, thank you for my life. Thank you for putting everyone in my life when I needed them. Dear God, thank you for today, Dear Jesus, thank you for today, Dear Holy Spirit, thank you for today. Thank you for everyone I came in contact with today. Please help us all with our lives, our health problems, our financial problems, our housing problems, our resentments, our angers, our fears, our character defects and our shortcomings, our stinking thinking and jealousies, our procrastination, our laziness and lonliness, and our relationships. ******************************************** In the name of the Most High God, Amen. If Terrence's prayer has helped you, please pass it on. 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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:30:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Message-ID: Lines: 47 X-Trace: sv3-uh8pE5BNqNDGLbbMNahU5FCutP1Pu3cWI7ffB35hL4qyaWQ6kfEKKTFoLBLjP2nFXA5wiODJJ1s+qv9!hl2LVGqHQotm3Al+XolQggiwmsTU7FNQ5lGaolWtI6sXqaZCapYgEdWlOB/uwHvG29j4WUlbGg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:178 Thanks be to God, and to His Son our Lord Jesus Christ for all blessings. They want us to be truly Christian, and God supports us who are right_ but God has been merciful to Christians who unaware spoke against God. God still does the signs written about in St Mark 16:20. God does His signs, wonders, and miracles for us Holy Spirit people, TODAY too. Beware of the liars and jokers who posted in my name; God has Judgment Fire for them. They are not fooling God. The Christians who have spoken in tongues with the Holy Spirit have more of God's gospel than the Bible has of God's gospel, BECAUSE of three things: 1. God's laws are in the Spirit; 2. The Bible has a mix of pagan and Christian, and leaves out some of God's laws. 3. Catholics and emperors lied into the Bible. But, God still has us to preach that in order to escape the Judgment Fire, BE FAITHFUL TO GOD. Find some of us where God heals the sick and addicted, where Christians speak in tongues by the Holy Spirit, and we preach holiness living. Don't steal, don't do sex outside of marriage, don't like everybody but like God, don't tease, and don't do mischief, don't lie, take a bath and brush your teeth, be a real Christian and pray to God. 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George Carlin From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cycny01.gnilink.net!hwmnpeer01.lga!hwmnpeer01.ams!news.highwinds-media.com!feed10.multikabel.net!multikabel.net!feed20.multikabel.net!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!ndsoftware.com!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!212.23.6.68.MISMATCH!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: gloriakc@webtv.net (Gloria) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: RABBI NAMES MESSIAH Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:50:48 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 56 Message-ID: <29862-460EF3D8-41@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-25490-523 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhROYkWC3oplqf9YENjywdZKatgvqQIVAJ2r/bKNnFtuaoOhRdBFMVWrQCC1 Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=white; TextColor=black Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:181 --WebTV-Mail-25490-523 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Word From Yerushalaim Simantov Allalouf simantov@wordfromyerushalaim.com www.wordfromyerushalaim.com Rabbi Reveals name of Messiah =A0 Last year one of Israel's leading kabbalah rabbi's died at the age of 106.=A0Before he died he said=A0that he had recently met the Messiah.=A0He told his disciples that he would leave a written note with the mystery code of the identity of the Messiah written out.=A0 And he had them promise that this note was not to be opened until one year after his death. =A0 His funeral last spring 2006, in Jerusalem, drew a few hundred thousand Orthodox believers, and the traffic on the streets of Jerusalem was blocked up for hours.=A0=A0 =A0 It=A0is now=A0a year later, and the note has been=A0opened, and in it there=A0were six words in Hebrew, stating, "He will lift the people and prove that His Word and Torah are valid." Taking the first letter of each of these six words (which was the code) spelled out the name "Yehoshua", a form of=A0Jesus name in Hebrew. =A0 The chief editor Aviel Schneider of Israel Today, a Jerusalem Messianic magazine, just released this story in their latest (April 2007) issue.=A0 Aviel Schneider did the interviews and the write up on this story.=A0 The phone number for Israel Today in Jerusalem is 972-2-622-6881, and Aviel Schneider's email is aviel@israeltoday.co.il What a break through story! --WebTV-Mail-25490-523 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
Shabbat_HaGadol....The Lord's Triumphant Entry

~ May my prayers be set before God like incense; may the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice. Therefore, in view of God's mercies, I offer myself as a sacrifice, living and set apart, holy and pleasing for God.....for I am to God the aroma of His Son, Yeshua the Messiah.~ --WebTV-Mail-25490-523-- From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newspeer1.nwr.nac.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!85.12.40.130.MISMATCH!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!hwmnpeer03.ams!news.highwinds-media.com!demorgan.zen.co.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: DebbiesPlace7@webtv.net (Debbies Place) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: DEBBIE'S PLACE FOR SUNDAY! Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:58:04 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 39 Message-ID: <18610-469AA67C-870@storefull-3355.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1163-4391 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQfXf+jlvvdR1Mp+FotPwKURgv0lAIUJLKn92ViWEH9snOm8/rrA+usrMQ= Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=#082A7D; TextColor=#ffffff Bytes: 2238 X-Original-Bytes: 2195 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:182 --WebTV-Mail-1163-4391 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT ENJOY THE SITE! http://community-1.webtv.net/DebbiesPlace7/DEBBIESPLACE2/ --WebTV-Mail-1163-4391 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit

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--WebTV-Mail-1163-4391-- From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Subject: my LJ From: tomdurst1@msn.com (Thomas Durst) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:41:32 -0700 Message-ID: <10617-46AE06AC-22@baytvgwxn002.msntv.msn.com> Bytes: 1130 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: baytvgwxn002.msntv.msn.com Organization: WebTV Subscriber Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!prop4-west.newsfeeds.com!news-in1.spamkiller.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAjtxynqdHZDexLXaC7OG5osGVivECFQCQgnr3Fb0c3nVgWK/XVfRgzS49gg== Content-Disposition: Inline X-Original-Bytes: 1002 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:183 A good way to get acquainted with me would be to read some of my articles on my LIVE JOURNAL as below. May I hear from you soon? http://tomdurst.livejournal.com http://advaita.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=practices http://biblepacesetter.org/publications/articles.shtml tomdurst1@msn.com From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:11:34 -0500 From: Dale Kelly Subject: lea-ders Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.religion.mormon, talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite, opera.deutsch, alt.tv.caroline-city, wny.rochester.freenet User-Agent: Pan/0.131 (Ghosts: First Variation) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 20:11:34 -0500 Lines: 45 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.171.23 X-Trace: sv3-iOJCITCiukfEDsEUzS4Nj3Z7ProoEyz3qIHIkUTIPula4wUx1okUVnV2cV1k1+teUFpmXjxPOEsL+Jb!1OZPmejC/vtnx0MqFlUjp2udSimMn39nj6DnfPmxMmmBGTh7ZfM/zNaPnhct8oH5i9fMRzcwm/38!Axpp5lNZyEJCC4L2Sq3RikLorU8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.35 Bytes: 2565 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com alt.religion.jehovahs-witn:399499 alt.religion.mormon:749481 talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:184 opera.deutsch:66495 alt.tv.caroline-city:6810 wny.rochester.freenet:18277 one of these things, is the synopsis of your BOOK ponder it and you will have your whole BOOK oR, if you have your whole BOOK, okay HOWTO -> ponder, go to a pond and say der I Y'uk O i Y'ak o Ii Y'uk Y'ak Oo iI Y'ak Y'uk oO IiI Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk OoO IiIi Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk Y'ak OoOo iIiI Y'ak Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk oOoO I' K'nik Y'uk \O i' K'nik Y'ak \o Ii' K'nik Y'uk Y'ak \Oo iI' K'nik Y'ak Y'uk \oO IiI' K'nik Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk \OoO IiIi' K'nik Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk Y'ak \OoOo iIiI' K'nik Y'ak Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk \oOoO 'I' Y'uk K'nik Y'uk O\O 'i' Y'uk K'nik Y'ak O\o 'Ii' Y'uk K'nik Y'uk Y'ak O\Oo 'iI' Y'uk K'nik Y'ak Y'uk O\oO 'IiI' Y'uk K'nik Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk O\OoO 'IiIi' Y'uk K'nik Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk Y'ak O\OoOo 'iIiI' Y'uk K'nik Y'ak Y'uk Y'ak Y'uk O\oOoO ' Y K'nik Y'ak K'uk /\ I, not imaginary, an action i, imaginary, an action ' emphasis (can be before or after an action) Y'uk - funny busyness (business) Y'ak - knocking on doors, torment K'nik - taking something (an evil action) O=I=Y'uk o=i=Y'ak \ = K'nik Y - means the symbol for your stand towards above, and the phoenic whI(y) K - symbolic for kill, can be degrees of anguish and not death / = Y -- Dale http://www.vedantasite.org see website for real email address From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!border-1.ams.xsnews.nl!feed.xsnews.nl!border-1.ams.xsnews.nl!news.glorb.com!news-out.octanews.net!indigo.octanews.net!authen.yellow.readfreenews.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn, alt.religion.mormon, talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite, opera.deutsch, alt.tv.caroline-city, wny.rochester.freenet Subject: Re: lea-ders From: Siteldawgnumber1 References: Organization: Who, Me? Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Date: 06 Aug 2007 04:00:09 GMT Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Date: 05 Aug 2007 23:00:09 CDT X-Trace: DXC=D@`E^leA?]N9=gMOQiR90K]AGWjF5PjPI465Ue@WB_5O:V8bn`42h4HBP\; CaRNSOE6?f@Z_[8hbGBd>O^kW]nFGebem0[@aHkL Bytes: 1084 X-Original-Bytes: 1041 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com alt.religion.jehovahs-witn:399588 alt.religion.mormon:749608 talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:185 opera.deutsch:66501 alt.tv.caroline-city:6811 wny.rochester.freenet:18280 Dale Kelly wrote in news:ecudnZu6KqxbvijbnZ2dnUVZ_ubinZ2d@comcast.com: > one [mucho snippo or psychobabble] That you, Average Joe? Back from the net.dead? From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trnddc04.POSTED!891b36e0!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Nyi Roro Jonggrang" From: "Nyi Roro Jonggrang" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.episcopal, talk.religion.christian.protestant.evangelical, talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite, talk.religion.christian.protestant.methodist, talk.religion.christian.protestant.moravian Subject: Messenger and Message Inseparable Lines: 385 Organization: truth X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:51:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.110.64.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trnddc04 1196585479 71.110.64.81 (Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:51:19 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:51:19 EST Bytes: 21229 X-Original-Bytes: 21185 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.episcopal:182 talk.religion.christian.protestant.evangelical:26 talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:187 talk.religion.christian.protestant.methodist:242 talk.religion.christian.protestant.moravian:153 Messenger and Message Inseparable [Return to the Table of Contents] [Return to the Homepage] Attempts to Make "Testimony of Jesus" of "None Effect" How Satan Unsettles Confidence Testing Contemporary Claims Another Church to Follow? The Final Shaking-a Prediction Message and Messenger Inseparable Endnotes Study Questions "Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on. . . . that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them" (Rev. 14:13). As we have noted throughout this book, whenever God has spoken through His communication system, counterfeits soon followed. Satan is unceasing in his skill to follow through the door that truth opens. His messages are always appealing and believable because he knows how to appeal to the religiously inclined yet unconverted heart. He mixes truth with error, always in a way that appeals to human feeling and human authority rather than to a plain "Thus saith the Lord." After the death of Ellen White, counterfeit messengers soon arose. In June 22, 1916, less than a year after Mrs. White died, Margaret Rowen in Los Angeles, California, claimed to have a vision. Her early "testimonies" had a superficial likeness to Mrs. White's testimonies. In addition to these "messages," the physical manifestations accompanying her visions were remarkably similar to those of Ellen White. "Both her followers, including several medical doctors, and skeptics agreed that these visions were supernaturally inspired. The question in dispute was: With which supernatural power did they originate?"1 Mrs. Rowen's attempt to usurp the role of "messenger" to the Adventist Church reached extraordinary lengths when she had a document "planted" in the Ellen G. White vault at Elmshaven, purporting to be a letter written by Mrs. White. This "letter" was intended to prove that she was Ellen White's designated successor. Even after this scandalous episode was exposed, her followers remained strongly supportive. Rowen's specific but failed predictions culminated in her announcement that Jesus would return on February 6, 1925. This failed prediction caused many followers to wonder, but many accepted her explanation-that she had misunderstood how long it would take Jesus to travel from heaven to earth. Further elements in this strange story may be found in Light Bearers to the Remnant, including her attempt to murder her chief supporter and her jail time in San Quentin Penitentiary.2 We cite the Rowen story only to highlight the often captivating appeal of those who claim to have the prophetic gift. At any given time in the last few decades, at least a dozen people around the world have convinced others that they have been given the gift of prophecy. These include V. T. Houteff, Jeanine Sautron, and those supposedly receiving "thought messages."3 According to John the Revelator, Satan will be especially furious with last-day representatives of those "who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev.12:17). As we noted earlier (p. 3), "the testimony of Jesus" points to God's communication system whereby the Spirit of Christ inspires selected men and women with divine revelations pertaining to the plan of salvation. Attempts to Make "Testimony of Jesus" of "None Effect" [Top of Document] Because of the nature of the great controversy, Satan hates the truth about God and how He plans to rescue men and women from Planet Earth. Consequently, he will do all his brilliant mind can devise to make "the testimony of Jesus Christ" of no effect. That should be expected. Ellen White knew from experience and from divine instruction how Satan's tactics affected her ministry, and how he would operate in the future. In 1890 she wrote two letters: "Satan is . . . constantly pressing in the spurious-to lead away from the truth. The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. 'Where there is no vision, the people perish' (Prov. 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant people in the true testimony."4 "There will be a hatred kindled against the testimonies which is satanic. The workings of Satan will be to unsettle the faith of the churches in them, for this reason: Satan cannot have so clear a track to bring in his deceptions and bind up souls in his delusions if the warnings and reproofs and counsels of the Spirit of God are heeded."5 How Satan Unsettles Confidence [Top of Document] If Satan's plan is to "ingeniously. . . unsettle . . . confidence," how does he do it? Since the Garden of Eden, for reasons not always clear, a person's confidence in the truth about God has always been the special target of others who are not comfortable with divine authority. That is the way the cosmic controversy began, and that is the way it will end. To break down confidence in the trustworthiness of God and His gifted prophets has always been Satan's chief goal. How does he do his work? By subtle insinuations, out-of-context allegations, planted rumors, and exaggerated assertions borne out of an incident that often could be easily explained.6 We should expect that the same methods used by Satan to "unsettle" confidence in Moses, Elijah, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, or even Christ Himself, would be used with practiced precision on the ministry of Ellen White, or any future messenger from God. When any issue arises today (or will yet arise between now and the return of Jesus), we should immediately ask: (1) If the allegation involves Ellen White as a person, what are all the facts? (2) If the question concerns her theological teachings, what is the theological or philosophical presupposition that underlies the questioner's (or "unsettler's") point of view?7 That difficult-to-understand technical questions and isolated points should arise in a writing ministry of 70 years is not surprising. Similar questions confront students of the Bible. Many people through the years have lost confidence in the Bible because of real or apparent difficulties.8 Why does this happen? Those who lose confidence often place more emphasis on the container than on its content, on the messenger rather than on his or her message. How does one focus on the content rather than the container, on the message rather than the messenger? How does one focus on Ellen White's message rather than on Ellen White herself?9 By listening to her clear, prevailing message that illuminates the Bible's focus on the character of God as manifested in Jesus and about His simple plan to change rebels into restored sons and daughters. The message of genuine prophets is consistent, whereas their lives, although exemplary, may not be without flaws. Even when a group accepts Ellen White as God's messenger, differences of opinion will exist as to how to apply her principles to present circumstances. However, an honest, shared commitment to divine authority warms the heart of those who differ; differences are not magnified to the point of open contention. Those who focus on the content, not the container, seek to draw near to those who differ; they emphasize the principles upon which they agree, and minimize their differences. One other way that the writings of Ellen White (or the Bible) can be made "of none effect" is to misuse counsel. Some would call it the "woodshed rod" whereby the phrase, "Sister White said . . ." kindles deep resentment rather than appreciation.10 Sadly, for many, both young and old, the "Testimonies" have suggested dread rather than blessing, a chill rather than warmth. Out of context and separated from intent, the writings of Ellen White can easily become a whip or club-just the opposite of her purpose when she wrote messages of warning and challenge to those who knew exactly the truth of what she was saying. The best way to thwart Satan's attempt to make of "none effect" the ministry of Ellen White is to "listen" to her prevailing message about God's side in the great controversy, to read her published works11 as the final statement as to what she believed on any given subject, to place every word that seems discouraging in its original context-and then to sit back and marvel at the coherency of a remarkable messenger whose ministry has accomplished such profound worldwide results. Testing Contemporary Claims [Top of Document] Is it possible that another genuine prophet will appear in the Seventh-day Adventist Church before Christ returns? Adventists have never said that Ellen White is the complete fulfillment of such prophecies as Joel 2:28-32. Mrs. White herself was asked this question and responded that she had not been given any information on that subject.12 No one knows what God may think best regarding special leadership before the Advent. And no one knows in what manner a future prophet may fulfill his or her role. What we do know is that a church has the obligation to test the claim, as Paul has taught: "Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil" (1 Thess. 5:19-22). All the tests listed earlier must be applied to each claimant.13 The highest test of all is to compare later prophets with the body of inspired writings of previous prophets. Jesus made it clear that the church should expect the appearance of counterfeit prophets, especially in the last days before His return: "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many" (Matt. 24:11). No doubt very persuasive and believable claimants will arise. What makes them "believable"? Counterfeiters don't print three-dollar bills. The purpose of the counterfeit is to appear as close to the original or the valid as possible. Satan knows this tactic well. His method has always been to cover error with much truth. Eventually, the error also becomes part of the truth in their minds. Ellen White wrote to one who was confused about Anna Phillips's claim that she had received visions and messages: "Many things in these visions and dreams seem to be all straight, a repetition of that which has been in the field for many years; but soon they introduce a jot here, a tittle of error there, just a little seed which takes root and flourishes, and many are defiled therewith."14 Yes, another genuine prophet is possible. And yes, if such a prophet should arise, his or her credentials will meet the tests that every true prophet in God's communication system has met. Another Church to Follow? [Top of Document] Occasionally the thought is expressed that "the Adventist ship is going through, no matter what!" Equally confident people say that "the church is Babylon" and a new organization must be formed to nurture "true believers." Both groups appeal to Ellen White for their authority. Here is another instance where careful study will avoid the unthinking optimism of some and the undue pessimism of others. Here again, without Ellen White modern church members would be adrift in their speculation. Prophets, beginning with Moses, have always been identified with rebuke and reproof, as well as with encouragement and promise. People can read selectively and, depending on what they are looking for, they could consider Jeremiah or Isaiah either prophets of doom or of hope. Such may also be true with Ellen White. She courageously pointed out to fewer than 3,000 fellow church members in 1856 that the Laodicean message (Rev. 3) applies to Seventh-day Adventists. That was very sobering to a people who saw themselves virtually alone in the world as those who "keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus" (Rev. 14:12). At the same time, she said very clearly that "God has invested His church with special authority and power which no one can be justified in disregarding and despising; for in so doing he despises the voice of God."15 Though she used strong language to describe the spiritual lethargy of the church, she was equally emphatic regarding its high destiny: "Has God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective members, that there are tares amid the wheat. . . . Let all be careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the description given of the remnant people who keep the commandments of God, and have faith in Jesus. . . . God has a distinct people, a church on earth, second to none, but superior to all in their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the law of God."16 In the early 1900s, when certain forces within the church were attempting to deflect the church's message and mission, she steadied those who "listened" with courage and optimism: "We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization, for this would mean apostasy from the truth."17 With a further look into the future, she wrote in 1908: "I am instructed to say to Seventh-day Adventists the world over, God has called us as a people to be a peculiar treasure unto Himself. He has appointed that His church on earth shall stand perfectly united in the Spirit and counsel of the Lord of hosts to the end of time."18 Revelation 3 depicts no last-day church beyond Laodicea, thus giving hope that some day many of them will repent, overcome, and fulfill God's plan for the last-day church (Rev. 3:18-21). No other subject for any church-related agenda, either for individuals or institutions, can be more urgent or important to implement. The Final Shaking-a Prediction [Top of Document] One of Ellen White's unfulfilled predictions relates to future events. Key words that describe the forces that will focus on Seventh-day Adventists are "sifting" and "shaking." Human beings have been sifted by trials and temptations ever since the Garden of Eden, but Ellen White foresaw a time prior to the close of probation when special circumstances will test and sift every Adventist. The special sifting is often called the "shaking" time. Sometimes she uses the term "shaking" to refer to the process19 by which all church members will be tested; at other times she refers to the profound shaking that will prevail during the Seven Last Plagues.20 Some of the causes of the final shaking within the Adventist Church will be: � Persecution from outside the church.21 � Erroneous doctrines within the church.22 � Prevailing worldliness caused by not having experienced "the love of the truth," or being "sanctified through obedience to the truth."23 � Resistance to the "straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans."24 � Specific rejection of the sanctuary doctrine involving the significance of the pre-advent judgment and the relationship between the cleansed sanctuary and cleansed people.25 � Rejection of the ministry of Ellen White.26 The impact of the shaking on Seventh-day Adventists will be enormous: � Defections among church leaders.27 � Apostasies of ministers who have preached false doctrine.28 � The church will seem about to fall.29 � An impressive number of church members will leave.30 � New converts will take the place of the defectors.31 � Preparation for the crisis involves developing habits of enthusiasm, courage, and loyalty.32 Message and Messenger Inseparable [Top of Document] Robert S. Folkenberg, eighteenth president of the General Conference, summed up the convictions of many, past and present, when he wrote: "Without [the] invaluable contributions from the Spirit of Prophecy, I suspect the Seventh-day Adventist Church wouldn't even exist. From the earliest days of this movement, Ellen White's pen and voice have counseled, guided, and led God's people to a deeper level of spiritual experience, to higher standards of personal living, and to clearer concepts of truth."33 Dr. Jack Provonsha noted that without Ellen White there would be no Seventh-day Adventist Church today but he warned regarding the church's future. In reviewing the Adventist movement from its beginning, he asserted: "They had their Bible. But they had in large measure that other ingredient for a religious movement's vitality-the sense that they had been called by God and that He was in their movement! Had He not vouchsafed His presence with the gift of prophetic guidance? That made all the difference. Without such a sense at the beginning, there would not now even be a Seventh-day Adventist Church, at least one that made a great deal of difference to the world. The obvious corollary to this is that if that sense is ever lost, the church, even if it continues to exist institutionally, may no longer count where and in the way that it is supposed to count." A few pages later, Dr. Provonsha wrote: "I have quoted liberally from Ellen G. White. I make no apology for this. She is my 'spiritual mother.' She has also been absolutely central to the life and thought of Adventism."34 Telling the story of the birth of Israel as a nation is impossible without reviewing the work of Moses, its prophet. How would one explain the Exodus without Moses? Or Mount Sinai? Or why Israel had to wander in the wilderness for forty years? So it is impossible to tell the story of the Seventh-day Adventist movement without interweaving Ellen White's ministry in the affirmation of Biblical doctrine, in the building of a church organization strong enough to support a world church, and in the Moses-like messages of reproof and courage that helped to shape the character of the church. Without her today it is probable that the Adventist Church would be only a footnote in some history book of various religious groups in the nineteenth century. Arthur G. Daniells, General Conference president from 1901-1922, lifted his pen in a plea to fellow church members not to follow the pattern of history: "It is possible to believe nominally in the gift of prophecy, to accept the messages of former prophets, and yet reject and oppose a contemporary messenger chosen of God to give instruction to His people. In Christ's day the words of the ancient prophets were read every Sabbath in their synagogues, yet the religious leaders rejected John the Baptist and crucified the Prophet who came direct from heaven-the greatest who ever appeared on earth. . . . It was Christ's rebuke of specific sins in their life that caused the Pharisees to reject His claim of being the Son of God. There is today, as there has always been in the past, a direct relation between the cherishing of some sin and a doubting of the messages of the Lord's chosen servants."35 To keep the Adventist ship on course as it heads toward harbor, the message that set its course must remain as unclouded and as effective as an ocean liner's compass and radar. And to keep the message relevant and meaningful, the Messenger who first framed the message must be listened to as the harbor pilot, especially as the ship enters the turbulence of the narrows, close to port. "Therefore I have hewn them by the prophets" (Hosea 6:5, RSV). "Believe in the Lord your God, and you will be established; believe his prophets, and you will succeed" (2 Chron. 20:20, RSV). 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But he says you can keep the plan you have if that is what you want. Below is a testimony on the need for a single-payer health insurance (single-payer) by the former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. Marcia Angell: -------------------------- This is the summary. The United States spends more than twice as much on health care as the average of other developed nations, all of which boast universal coverage. Yet, over 42 million Americans have no health insurance whatsoever and most others are underinsured in the sense that they lack adequate coverage for all contingencies; for example, long-term care or prescription drug benefits. Why is the United States so different? The short answer is that we alone treat health care as a commodity, distributed according to the ability to pay, rather than as a social service to be distributed according to medical need. In our market-driven system, investor owned firms compete, not so much by increasing quality or lowering costs, but by avoiding unprofitable patients and shifting costs back to patients or to other payers. This creates the paradox of a health care system based on avoiding the sick. It generates huge administrative costs which, along with profits, divert resources from clinical care to the demands of business. In addition, burgeoning satellite businesses, such as consulting firms and marketing companies, consume an increasing fraction of the health care dollar. We endorse a fundamental change in America's health care. The creation of a comprehensive national health insurance program, or NHI. Such a program which, in essence, would be an expanded and improved version of Medicare, would cover every American for all necessary medical care. Most hospitals and clinics would remain privately owned and operated, receiving a budget from the NHI to cover all operating costs. Investor owned facilities would be converted to not-for-profit status and their former owners compensated for past investments. Physicians could continue to practice on a fee-for-service basis or receive salaries from group practices, hospitals or clinics. A national health insurance program would save at least $150 billion annually by eliminating the high overhead and profits of the private investor owned insurance industry, and reducing spending for marketing and other satellite services. Doctors and hospitals would be freed from the concomitant burdens and expenses of paperwork created by having to deal with multiple insurers with different rules, often rules designed to avoid payment. During the transition to an NHI, the savings on administration and profits would fully offset the costs of expanded and improved coverage. NHI would make it possible to set and enforce overall spending limits for the health care system, slowing cost growth over the long run. A national health insurance program is the only affordable option for universal, comprehensive coverage. Under the current system, expanding access to health care inevitably means increasing costs, and reducing costs inevitably means limiting access. But an NHI could both expand access and reduce costs. It would squeeze out bureaucratic waste and eliminate the perverse incentives that threaten the quality of care and the ethical foundations of medicine. Now I'd like to take a few minutes to expand on some of the points in the summary I just read and, in particular, to respond to some of the arguments often made against a national health insurance program. As stated in the summary, Americans have the most expensive health care system in the world. We spend on average twice as much per person as other developed nations, and that gap is growing. That's not because we're sicker or more demanding. Canadians, for example, see their doctors more often than we do and spend more time in the hospital. And it's not because we get better results. By the usual measures of health, life expectancy, infant mortality, immunization rates, we do worse than most other developed countries. Furthermore, we're the only developed nation that does not provide comprehensive health care to all its citizens. Over 42 million Americans are uninsured disproportionately, the sick, the poor and minorities. And most of the rest of us are underinsured, even while we sometimes receive far more of certain kinds of health care than we need. In sum, our health care system is outrageously expensive, yet inadequate and inequitable. Why? The only plausible explanation is that there's something about our system, about the way we finance and deliver health care, that's enormously inefficient. We simply don't get our moneys worth. In my view, and that of many other critics of our system, the underlying problem is that we treat health care like a market commodity instead of a social service. UNIDENTIFIED MAN: There you go. DR. ANGELL: Health care is targeted, not to medical need, but to the ability to pay. Now markets are good for many things, but they're not a good way to distribute health care. Let's look for a moment at how the health care market really works. Most Americans receive tax free health benefits from the employers who pay insurers a portion of the premiums, but not all employers offer benefits. It's strictly voluntary. And when they do, the benefits may not be comprehensive. Higher salaried workers are more likely to be covered and the coverage is better. About one in five workers, mainly those with low salaries, turn down health benefits because they can't afford to pay their share of the premiums. The insurance companies with whom employers do business are mostly investor-owned, for profit businesses, that first appeared on the scene 10 to 20 years ago when the managed care market opened up. They tried to keep premiums down and profits up by stinting on medical services. In fact, the best way for insurers to compete is by not insuring high risk patients at all; limiting the coverage of those they do insure, for example, by excluding expensive services such as heart transplantation, and by passing costs back to patients by denying their claims, or its deductibles and co-payments. We are the only nation in the world with a health care system based on dodging sick people. These practices are collectively called cost shifting and they add enormously to overhead costs because they require a great deal of paperwork. They also require creative marketing to attract the affluent and healthy, and avoid the poor and sick. Not surprisingly, the United States has by far the highest overhead costs in the developed world. It's instructive to follow the health care dollar as it wends its way from employers toward the doctors and nurses and hospitals that actually provide the medical services. First, private insurers regularly skim off the top a substantial fraction of the premiums, anywhere from 10 to 30 percent, for their administrative costs, marketing and profits. The remainder of the health care dollar is then passed along a veritable gauntlet of satellite businesses that have sprung up around the health care industry. These include brokers to cut deals, disease management and utilization review companies, drug management companies, legal services, marketing consultants, billing agencies, information management firms, and so on and so on. They, too, skim off a portion of what they get for administrative costs, marketing and profits. It's been estimated, no one knows for use, but it's been estimated that no more than 50 cents of the health care dollar actually reaches the providers, who themselves have high overhead costs to deal with the requirements of multiple insurers, often bent on avoiding payment. One final comment on the inappropriateness of the market for delivering health care and controlling costs. Markets are meant to expand, not to contract. When the seller of a consumer good, like VCRs, lowers prices, it's only with the intention of increasing volume. And yet, we say we want the health care market to contract. That's simply not what successful markets do. Now compare all that with the national program we're advocating today. This program is the very sole of simplicity and efficiency compared with our private health care system. In many ways, it would be tantamount to extending Medicare to the entire population. Medicare is the most efficient part of our health care system. Many people don't know that, but it's the most efficient part of our health care system, with overhead costs of less than 3 percent. It covers virtually everyone over the age of 65, not just some of them. Medicare is not perfect, but it's by far the most popular part of the U.S. health care system, as evidenced by the resistance of Medicare beneficiaries to any changes. Not what are the usual objections to the sort of program we're calling for today? They are mostly based on a number of myths, which I'll review briefly. Myth number one is that we can't afford a national health care system. My answer is that we can't afford not to have one. Our costs are exorbitant, premiums are once again rising at double digit rates, and the number of uninsured will undoubtedly swell with the softening of the economy. We're headed for a crisis in health care. Professor Norris (?) is correct on that. A single payer system would be far more cost effective, since it would eliminate excess administrative costs, profits, cost shifting and unnecessary duplication. Furthermore, it would be permit the establishment of an overall budget and the fair and rational distribution of resources. We should remember also that we now pay for health care in multiple ways: through our paychecks, the prices of goods and services, taxes at all levels of government, and out-of-pocket. It makes more sense to pay just once. The most progressive way is to an earmarked health care tax on income. According to myth number two, innovative technologies would be scarce under a single payer system. We would have long waiting lists and maybe rationing. This misconception is based on the fact that there are indeed waits for elective procedures in some countries with national health systems, such as the UK and Canada. But that's because they spend far less than we do on health care. The UK, for example, spends about a third of what we do per person. If they were to put the same amount of money as we do into their systems, there would be no waits and all their citizens would have immediate access to all the care they need. For them, the problem is not the system, it's the money. For us, it's not the money, it's the system. There's plenty of money already there. Myth number three is that a single payer system amounts to socialized medicine, which would subject doctors and other providers to onerous bureaucratic regulations. But, in fact, although a national program would be publicly funded, providers would not work for the government. That's currently the case with Medicare, which is publicly funded but privately delivered. As for onerous regulations, nothing could be more onerous, both to patients and providers, than the multiple intrusive regulations, the micro-management imposed on them by the private insurance agencies-companies. Indeed, many doctors, and you see many of us here, who once opposed a single payer system are now coming to see it as a far preferable option. Myth number four says that the government can't do anything right. Some Americans like to believe that, or say it, without thinking of all the ways in which government functions very well indeed, and without considering the alternatives. I had a very conservative uncle who once asked me, rhetorically, to name three things the government does well. I said the NIH, the National Park Service and the IRS, at least in that era. I might also have added Medicare which, as I've said, is far better at funding health care than the private sector. We should remember too, that the government is elected by the public and is accountable to the public. An investor owned insurance company, in contrast, reports to its owners, not to the public. A fifth and final myth is that a single payer system is a good idea, but politically unrealistic. Now that is a self-fulfilling prophesy. In my opinion, the medical profession and the public would be enthusiastic about a single payer system if the facts were known and the myths dispelled. Yes, there would be powerful special interests opposing it, and I don't underestimate them, but with courageous leadership and the support of the medical profession and the public, I believe there's nothing unrealistic about a national health insurance program. There's no question in my mind that a national program is the only way to provide universal, comprehensive care, while providing a mechanism to control costs. If we were to put the money we now spend into such a system, Americans would have the very best health care in the world. I want to mention one final and very important reason for enacting a national health program. We live in a country that tolerates enormous disparities in income, material possessions, and social privilege. That may be an inevitable consequence of a free market economy. But those disparities should not extend to denying some of our citizens certain essential services because of their income or social status. One of those services is health care. Others are education, clean water and air, equal justice, and protection from crime. All of which we already acknowledge are public responsibilities. We need to acknowledge the same thing for health care. Providing these essential services to all Americans, regardless of who they are, helps insure that we remain a decent, cohesive and optimistic country. It says that when it comes to vital needs we are one community, not 280 million individuals competing with one another. And seeking to ensure adequate health care for all our citizens, we have an opportunity today to reassert that we are indeed a single nation. Thank you. REP. KUCINICH: Congressman Conyers just said that's the best summary that he's ever heard in his life and I think that many of us would agree. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I would ask that the Gentlelady, and all of those who have testified, provide this panel with copies of your remarks. One of the things we can do is to make sure that it's inserted in the Congressional Record and we will do that. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!feeder2-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!194.117.148.138.MISMATCH!pe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk!blueyonder!news-peer!btnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!nx01.iad.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!69.16.185.11.MISMATCH!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.cavtel.net!news.cavtel.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:29:14 -0500 From: "Annie Birdsong" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: How Republicans Abuse Power Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:29:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Message-ID: <2NSdnRToCPd3DJHUnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@cavtel.net> Lines: 16 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-JCZueC3KiKxUsk9zRgB0tEGYQ3Db2KBGvRCu+UisipO2Pxj8ZnA9uHPF3Pms1DwFBjEC2wtn81v2HHl!qutiAazXel32I/w+/APwgdsUjMnDJzofSwfPTy2rUDCzYtPkHjvWaUUlFMsvOBU4+HoWEvqH+njg!v1Ei6DpEZw== X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 Bytes: 2202 X-Original-Bytes: 1811 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:194 Below is a quote from an article by Dr. Paul Krugman, winner of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Economics. "Second, again like Reagan, Bush has used the government's power to make it harder for workers to organize. The National Labor Relations Board, founded to protect the ability of workers to organize, has become for all practical purposes an agent of employers trying to prevent unionization." Read the entire article at: http://www.pkarchive.org/ More Articles by Dr. Paul Krugman http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/paulkrugman/index.html From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!novia!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feeder4.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!dedekind.zen.co.uk!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: XXY_4@webtv.net (A. Hermaphrodite) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: ENEMY OF GAY PEOPLE Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:34:54 -0800 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 148 Message-ID: <19369-4917C7FE-3333@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-9092-28039 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhrhwxL44qvwj4zVHvdM6pZMFKnECFH1o/sHrv6m2CY9p8cTzMI0IQEyb Content-Disposition: Inline X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=45171; TextColor=white Bytes: 5132 X-Original-Bytes: 5078 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:195 --WebTV-Mail-9092-28039 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Re: ENEMY OF GAY PEOPLE Group: alt.discuss.god-talk.catholic Date: Sun, Nov 9, 2008, 8:31pm From: XXY_4@webtv.net (A.=A0Hermaphrodite) The upside of the Proposition 8 victory is now those Gays who claim religion, have seen the ugly side of the RCC, the Mormons, Evil-angelicals and the Black conservative religious community, I have warned them about for decades. =A0=A0One Gay neighbor of mine who was so sympathetic to the cause of Palestine, now no longer is because of Islam's mean ways toward Gay people. I asked him, "Why do you care? What would Gay people be treated like in a free Muslim ruled Palestine? Don't people like you count?" As long as the ugliness continues, the Gay Atheists and non-religious community numbers which were largely ignored will now be swelling to glorious proportions. We old timers can say, "I told you so." I ask Gays to re-examine their faiths and see how badly they are treated by their own families and the religious community they were brought up in. Realize religion is the culprit and these religions have nothing to do with a real God even if there is one. Gays, leave the churches, the mosques and synagogues. Stop showing up for their weddings, funerals and holidays. Get away from them or be hurt by them. Stop saying "Merry Christmas" back to those mean straight people in public. Simply say, "It is not my holiday." When homophobic relatives invite you to weddings. Simply say, "I don't go to weddings." And if they ask. "Why not," as my niece said to me, simply say, "I don't go to weddings because they're not coming to mine." Leave the religious charity work and find a secular one that doesn't hate Gay people like you, Remember many of these religions once even executed people like you and in some foreign lands still do. Don't expect them to change. It is not loneliness when you abstain from being around people who despise you. Gay communities often have pot luck holidays, to avoid the usual nasty slurs you receive at straight gatherings. I've gone to several over the years and they are a riot, free of all the uncomfortable people pleasing difficult emotional challenges of hiding what you really feel. Nowadays if it ain't Gay, I ain't going. So, so many Gay priests who think they are serving God, must realize the fraudulent Catholic church they serve. Know the mean and treacherous history of the RCC and don't just come out to a flock of parishioners. Leave the church altogether. It is a waste of time and it feeds into the notion that Gay people like you should be abhorred, beaten, rejected, fired from your jobs, blackmailed and left lonely and unmarried to someone you choose, without recourse. Are these bad notions pleasing a God? Gays, save your sanity, leave Judaism, Islam and Christianity. __________________________________ ExChristianDotNet - encouraging ex-Christians (de-converting or former Christians) Address:http://exchristian.net/ Changed:5:37 AM on Sunday, November 9, 2008 __________________________________ Gay and Lesbian Atheists and Humanists (GALAH) Address:http://www.galah.org/ Changed:10:05 AM on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 _____________________________ American Atheists Address:http://www.atheists.org/ Changed:8:22 PM on Sunday, November 9, 2008 _______________________________ Ex-Gay Watch (EX-EX GAYS) Address:http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/ Changed:5:20 PM on Sunday, November 9, 2008 --WebTV-Mail-9092-28039 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-9092-28039-- From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:50 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!feed.xsnews.nl!border-1.ams.xsnews.nl!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!zen.net.uk!dedekind.zen.co.uk!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:09:06 -0600 From: "Frank" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Two Good Reasons Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:09:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.81.216.219 X-Trace: sv3-P5YmI1ENK/wWaAEIirXMiXyWX9fp/E5kG0m2s0Q+rFfg3qtQ23Jv4aJcUEQnYeD7W1AlRsphQGwYCpE!eMivePdrqSYIEZsE7VoW58nr0EGZUXyqN70xpKSnNnP1BfBQKwO7gCrww6PZL14ubZs2+9lSMjMz!9AcODUwYQeCA+4RSgnVrMGy1+b9wTeVc X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 Bytes: 1728 X-Original-Bytes: 1524 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:197 Two good reasons to find out about the doctrine that started Protestantism, the imputation of the righteousness of Christ, so that you transfer your entire trust for salvation away from self, church, and ritual, and onto Christ are: To have eternal life. To be taken in the Rapture. -- http://roines.home.mindspring.com From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!891b36e0!not-for-mail Reply-To: "God Gave" From: "God Gave" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.lutheran, talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite, talk.religion.christian.protestant.methodist, talk.religion.christian.protestant.moravian, talk.religion.christian.protestant.pentecostal Subject: The Awakening Advent Hope : Throughout the long, dismal centuries of papal dominion, covering the Middle Ages, which we have traversed in these studies, the Bible was kept locked in the Latin tongue, or in the original Hebrew and Greek in which it had bee Lines: 495 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:15:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.110.64.39 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1229289336 71.110.64.39 (Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:15:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:15:36 EST Bytes: 27330 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.lutheran:184 talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:198 talk.religion.christian.protestant.methodist:291 talk.religion.christian.protestant.moravian:161 talk.religion.christian.protestant.pentecostal:330 The Awakening Advent Hope : Throughout the long, dismal centuries of papal dominion, covering the Middle Ages, which we have traversed in these studies, the Bible was kept locked in the Latin tongue, or in the original Hebrew and Greek in which it had been written. Thus it was unavailable to the masses in their mother tongue. Its study was not encouraged, and especially was delving into its prophecies regarded unprofitable and improper. The unspiritual ecclesiastics were baffled by the mystic symbolism of the prophetic books of Daniel and John. But this obscurity served as a divinely appointed means of preserving the prophetic word. The real intent of these messages from God was providentially concealed by these very symbols in the days when the truth of God was well-nigh suppressed among men. But in time the Spirit-impelled Wycliffe began to translate the Scriptures into the language of the people, and to encourage their reading and study. By the time of the flood tide of the Reformation, Luther and others brought forth the Bible in several of the common languages. Once again the Scriptures were lifted to their rightful place as the very word of God. They were accepted as the foundation of all true faith and doctrine, the arbiter for every theological difference, and the end of all controversy. They were exalted as revealing the mind and lofty purpose of God. They were received as recording the past without error, and as divinely portraying the present and the future. As a result of the Reformation, the veil that had obscured the hallowed pages of Holy Writ began to be lifted. There soon came a wide rift in the cloud that concealed its divine symbols, and the simpler and more fundamental of the outlines of prophecy began to be understood and explained. Noted scholars like the illustrious Joseph Mede (1586-1638), who made long strides in reviving interest in prophecy and laying the foundations for sound interpretation; the celebrated dissenter, Thomas Goodwin (1600-1680), who advocated the indispensable "year-day" principle [240] ciple of interpretation; the great philosopher and scientist, Sir Isaac Newton (1642-1727), whose understanding of the prophetic symbols was remarkably clear for the time in which he lived and wrote; and Johann Albrecht Bengel, the eminent German theologian-these were among the great pioneer students and interpreters of Bible prophecy in the seventeenth century, and on to the threshold of the eighteenth. Slowly the list grows throughout the eighteenth century, until we come to the predicted "time of the end," concerning which it was foretold that men should run "to and fro" in the "book" of Daniel that had been "sealed" until the hour should come for those features of its divine message, applicable to the last days, to be understood and applied. There then followed a most remarkable bursting forth of exposition of Bible prophecy. Thus it came literally to pass that men "ran" to and fro in the prophecy, comparing part with part and principle with principle. Tidal Wave of Prophetic Study [Top of Document] With the dawn of the nineteenth century there came a spontaneous awakening in several continents, and in both hemispheres. This centered in the recovery of the lost expectation of Christ's second advent, as based on the predictions of these same prophets. In South America, under Lacunza, the pathfinding book, "The Coming of the Messiah," appeared, and was translated into the leading languages of Europe. One compiler made an amazing list of twenty-one hundred writers whose articles or treatises on prophecy were issued in English, French, and German, during the years from the Protestant Reformation up to 1835,-with most of them appearing near the close, within the indicated "time of the end." Thus the advent hope was revived in the hearts of multitudes by the predicted study of the prophecies. This, in turn, led to the deepest searching of heart as people who understood and believed the prophecies prepared to meet their God. Hans Wood, Lewis Way, Archibald Mason, James Hatley Frere, Edward Irving, Joseph Wolff, Henry Drummond, Robert Chalmers, [241] James Begg, and Matthew Habershon, McNeil, Pym, Hutchinson, Bayford, Frye, Noel, Vaughan, and Cuninghame are but a few out of the galaxy of names in Great Britain. Thus an amazing prophetic literature was developed in the Old World. In North America, Miller, Litch, Hale, Himes, and many less conspicuous men wrote out and preached their convictions upon the prophecies. It was here that the advent movement came to its glorious culmination for the time, as setting forth the near return of Christ. Albury Park Prophetic Conference [Top of Document] In Great Britain a remarkable event took place in connection with the names, mentioned in that country. More than a score of these godly, learned men-mostly ministers from the various churches-had begun to study and to write upon the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation. Feeling the need of exchanging thought upon these subjects of common interest, and of counseling upon their common problems, a Prophetic Conference was called to meet in 1826, at the home of Henry Drummond, M. P., at Albury Park, Surrey. Over twenty of these expounders of prophecy were assembled there. They spent eight days in earnest study. Their conclusions were embodied in a remarkable threevolume report. They were united in expecting the Lord to come within a very few years. Representing, as they did, different denominational viewpoints on the topics under study, the united conclusions reached on the imminence of the second advent are nothing short of amazing. Following the principle of interpretation laid down by Hans Wood of Rossmead, Ireland, in 1787, they concluded that the "seventy weeks" of Daniel 9:24 were indeed "cut off" from the beginning of the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14. In other words, they understood them to begin simultaneously, the "seventy weeks," or 490 literal years, comprising the first section of the full period, which they understood would terminate between 1843 and 1847. They further understood that the midst of the seventieth week-the cutting off of the Messiah for the sins of the people-sealed [242] with divine certainty forever the beginning and, consequently, the ending of the full prophetic time period, the longest recorded in the Bible. This principle of interpretation was accepted and proclaimed by a score or more of outstanding British students of prophecy during the first three decades of the nineteenth century. Recent research has brought to light a literature remarkably penetrating and clear on the precise date of the ending of the 2300 years. Advent Expectancy Reaches Its Culmination [Top of Document] In the second decade of the nineteenth century, William Miller came independently to essentially the same conclusion in North America. Miller began public presentation of his convictions about 1831. He was soon joined by Fitch, Litch, Bates, Himes, and Bliss. This stalwart band in America, increased rapidly by others, began to witness with a power and to an extent that are an astonishment to all who learn the facts. Beginning in the smaller towns, their message soon permeated the great cities. Books, tracts, and then periodicals were published in increasing number until there were more than forty papers issued in the United States, Canada, and Great Britain, prior to October 22, 1844, devoted exclusively to heralding the approaching advent. Public lecturers grew in number, drawn from the ministry of nearly all Protestant denominations. "Conferences" of Christians "expecting the advent" began to be held in 1840,-general conferences for the public representatives, and local conferences for the laity. There were nearly a dozen of the former, and about forty of the latter, which were in instances attended by as many as two thousand persons. Important actions were passed by these general conferences that molded, unified, and greatly forwarded the whole movement. Giant "camp meetings" were held, with thousands in attendance,-thirty-one being held within the space of four months, in 1842, including several in Canada. One hundred twenty-four of these were held during 1843 and 1844, fourteen of which were [243] held in Great Britain. "Tabernacle" meetings and "grove," or open air, meetings were also employed. Then, resentment, ecclesiastical action, and persecution on the part of the nominal churches came into the picture to complicate and impede. Thus we come to the end of Miller's predicted time-March 21, 1844, the close of "the Jewish year 1843." There was keen disappointment that the Lord did not appear at that time, and there was considerable shrinkage in numbers as the more superficial dropped out. The advent movement then entered a period of indifference called "the slumber time." But in August, at the important Exeter, New Hampshire, camp meeting, evidence was presented that explained the error in time calculation by Miller. It was seen that 2300 full years would reach from the autumn of 457 B. C. to the autumn of 1844 A. D. The parable of the virgins helped to explain the nature of the disappointment. On the basis of the types in the sanctuary system of old, the antitypical Day of Atonement would fall on the tenth day of the Jewish seventh month,-or, according to modern reckoning, on October 22, 1844. Revival of Hope [Top of Document] This gripping truth swept over the advent hosts with a compulsion that carried all before it. Louder and louder swelled the cry, "The Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him." By voice and pen, men told of the expected Saviour. Public lecturers increased to the number of two thousand. The advent presses began to run day and night to turn out the literature that flooded the country. Some of these periodicals were monthlies; others, weeklies; and, in instances, a few were published every other day, or even daily. They were hawked in the streets of the cities. They were sent in bundles to every post office in the country, and on shipboard to all the ports of earth. The country was shaken by the mighty message. The Lord was expected. The dead were to be raised, the living saints translated, and the earth-then thought to be the sanctuary-was [244] to be cleansed by fire, and so to become the abode of the saints forever. With holy joy men labored to spread the solemn warning and appeal. With deep searching they examined their own hearts for lurking sin and selfishness. They sold their possessions to obtain funds to spread the message of the expected King of kings. They believed so earnestly and honestly in their expectations that they left their crops standing unharvested, their potatoes in the ground undug. Such was the actual hope and sincere expectancy as October 22 drew on. Never was there a more thorough preparation made to meet God. For ascension to meet their Lord they sought the spotless robe of Christ's righteousness; and for heart preparation, the forgiveness of God's grace. The great day drew on. The last paper was mailed out. The last sermon was preached. The last appeal was made. The last prayer was offered. Their work was done! Only the coming of their Lord, they thought, stood between them and their fondest expectations. They waited,-hopefully, solemnly. But to their utter consternation, their anguish, and bewilderment, the appointed day passed. Review of Prophetic Waymarks [Top of Document] Disappointment filled their souls. In a daze they sought their bearings. They earnestly reviewed the past. They resurveyed the prophetic waymarks. The date 457 B. C. stood supported by reverent scholarship in Ireland, Scotland, England, continental Europe, as well as in North Africa. They traced anew the conclusions of Wood, Mason, Way, Frere, Irving, Wolff, McNeil, White, Pym, Cuninghame, Drummond, Habershon, Miller, and the many others who had declared the seventy prophetic weeks were cut off from the 2300 years, and, commencing together, constituted the first 490 years of that period with Christ's crucifixion in the midst of the seventieth week to seal the prophecy infallibly, and so to fix its termination. On the basis of the types and the typical Day of Atonement, the great prophetic period must end on October 22, as they had [245] calculated. But their Lord had not come. The future was a blank, and the present was a puzzle. Sneers and taunts, hostility and persecution, greeted them on every hand. It was a terrible disappointment, a dagger thrust into their hearts. The meaning of it all, and the emergence from their misunderstanding, must be held for consideration in another chapter. But there was another factor to be logically anticipated in the advent movement at this point, in view of the uniform experience of the past. With the great revival of neglected truth there had early come into the hearts of many a conviction that the apostolic gifts should appear with the renewal of the apostolic faith. Such persons prayed much about it, and wrote about it, but as yet they had no clear understanding of it. Satan's Attempt to Thwart Acceptance [Top of Document] Let us pause, for a moment here, to look at another side of the picture. Satan, the relentless opposer of every truth and provision of God, not only knows well these uniform operations of the past as regards the gift of prophecy,-such as have been traced through the pages of this volume,-but he has long known and hated God's promised restoration of the gift to the remnant church. This bestowal by our heavenly Father was for the purpose of counseling, guiding, and steadying His loyal followers through the unprecedented perils and apostasies of the last hour. The archenemy of God is, alas, a keener student of divine prophecy than are most men-even many within the church. He knows and fears God's power from of old. His is the fury of desperation. He uses this evil knowledge and long experience in an attempt to thwart the acceptance of God's provisions, so far as lies within his power. This is attempted with the spirit of prophecy, for example, by anticipating its appearance according to promise, and producing preliminary counterfeits to deceive, if possible, the expectant ones. By extreme fanaticism and false manifestations, he seeks to disgust men generally, and thus to frustrate the purpose of the gift. In this way he causes disrepute to be cast upon all manifestations of the gift, true or false, and [246] renders it difficult to credit the true when its appearance is made. It is his age-old scheme of opposition. Thus it came literally to pass in the days of the English advent movement. When the expectation of the Saviour's appearance failed, a brilliant leader like Edward Irving, dissatisfied with the formalism of the nominal churches, and looking for the manifestation of the gifts, withdrew from the ecclesiastical body with which he had been connected. But he was faced with strange manifestations in his own congregation, so that he died in bewilderment and disappointment. But this enmity on the part of Satan, together with the object of his subtle attacks, and his final course of action, were not only all fully foreknown to God, but were foretold in prophetic outline for the knowledge and safeguarding of His people. Hence confusion or deception was neither necessary nor inevitable. False Visions Bring Adverse Declarations [Top of Document] In North America the publication of alleged visions in certain of the advent journals led to recorded actions against all "visions." Thus from Charles Fitch's periodical, The Second Advent of Christ, published in Cleveland, Ohio, in a "Declaration of Principles" adopted "By the Adventists Assembled in Boston Anniversary Week, May, 1843," and signed by "N. N. Whiting, S. Bliss, T. F. Barry, J. Litch, and C. Fitch," we read: "We have no confidence whatever in visions, dreams, or private revelations. 'What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.' We repudiate all fanaticism, and everything which may tend to extravagance, excess, and immorality, that shall cause our good to be evil spoken of."-Issue of June 21, 1843. A little later, John Starkweather, well educated and able speaker-the ministerial associate of J. V. Himes in his Boston church-looked for the restoration of the gifts. But fanaticism came briefly, though locally, in the years 1843 and 1844, to deceive and disappoint his immediate followers. Finally, in direct connection with the great expectation of October 22, 1844, an extremist on the fringes of Millerism, by [247] the name of Dr. C. R. Gorgas, claimed that by "vision" God had "commissioned" him to call out the faithful from Philadelphia to a camp outside the city, and on printed handbills predicted that Christ would come at three o'clock in the morning. Wild Move Repudiated [Top of Document] This wild move created disgust, and brought forth emphatic repudiation by the leaders of the movement, immediately following the disappointment, as these words testify: "The Encampment!!!-It seems to be a common impression that this was the result of our doctrine. By no means. Only from one to two hundred, out of nearly three thousand believers (at Philadelphia) were deluded by this. The rest felt that they were not required to do anything of the kind; but saw that those favorable to it were led astray, and were grossly perverting the Scriptures. The arrangements for the encampment were made so hastily that those opposed had no opportunity to consider and try to counteract it. Now for the origin of this measure a Dr. C. R. Gorgas of York County, in this State, pretended to have been inspired about three weeks ago, and that it was revealed to him that the advent would take place at three o'clock in the morning of the 22d. Charts to this effect were sent to Baltimore and to this city. The brethren in both places immediately opposed it. Dr. Gorgas first went to Baltimore, but gained no converts. He then came to this city, and from that time the meetings here lost much of their solemnity and interest.. Joshua V. Himes, the chief publisher of advent papers, came to this city and strongly opposed Dr. Gorgas, as also Josiah Litch, well known as one of the first and most prominent among the advent preachers.. Brother Himes also went to New York and arrested the publication there of the Doctor's chart, which the New York brother, before mentioned, had commenced. The five or six converts here, were also distributing his charts very freely, and the public therefore receives the impression that these charts set forth the expectation of second advent believers generally, who on the contrary rejected in toto the pretended inspiration. "Now this Dr. Gorgas professed to have a revelation that destruction was to be as in the days of Lot, and that all who would be saved must flee from the cities. The influence he had exerted over a few, and then their influence over others, led to the encampment-a most unhappy step [248] -over which none can grieve more bitterly than the advent preachers and advent believers generally. It was the result of following a mere man, instead of the inspired word of the living God. Thanks be to Him for His unerring word; and thanks be to Him also for keeping the great body of those who love His appearing from being led astray by such an unholy influence. Lewis C. Gunn."-The Midnight Cry, Nov. 7, 1844, p. 147. Adverse Actions on "Visions" [Top of Document] At the Mutual Conference of Adventists at Albany, New York, called for April 29, 1845, a committee of twelve was appointed to draw up "a plan of future operations" and to "present a declaration of principles in the defense of which we have labored, and consult respecting our future association." In the series of resolutions submitted and "adopted without a dissenting voice," was this significant action, the import of which is very easily discernible: "Whereas, In every great religious movement, there have been among the wise and sober-minded advocates of the truth, others who have risen up, striving about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers, making great pretensions to special illumination . and whereas, in connection with the doctrine of Christ's near appearing, as in all previous religious movements, some of this class have risen up, calling themselves Adventists, teaching for doctrines that with which we can have no sympathy or fellowship, with many unseemly practices, whereby the word of God has been dishonored, and the doctrine of Christ's appearing brought into contempt; therefore- "Resolved, That we can have no sympathy or fellowship with those things which have only a show of wisdom in will worship and neglecting of the body, after the commandments and doctrines of men. That we have no fellowship with any of the new tests as conditions of salvation, in addition to repentance toward God, and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, and a looking for and loving His appearing. That we have no fellowship for Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth, or for any of the distinctive characteristics of modern Judaism."-The Advent Herald, and Signs of the Times Reporter, May 14, 1845, p. 107. At the New York City Conference, May 6, 1845, the "Doings of the Mutual General Conference held at Albany, which commenced [249] menced April 29th, 1845," "were unanimously approved." After Sylvester Bliss, who was a member of the Albany Committee of twelve, had declared that the "Gorgas affair" he "regarded nothing but mesmerism," and had referred to it as "the delusion of the Gorgas vision," the following action was passed at New York: "Resolved, That we have no confidence in any new messages, visions, dreams, tongues, miracles, extraordinary gifts, revelations, impressions, discerning of spirits, or teachings, etc., etc., not in accordance with the unadulterated word of God."-The Advent Herald, May 21, 1845, p. 118. Finally at the important Boston Conference, May 26, Josiah Litch said: "With regard to the state of things in Philadelphia. A portion had been induced, contrary to all his remonstrances, to obey the vision of Dr. Gorgas, and fled from the city on the 10th of the 7th month. And some of them had not yet been able to get the hallucination from their minds. The results had been most disastrous. It had served to disgust the mind of the community there, so that they were laboring under the greatest embarrassments."-The Advent Herald, and Signs of the Times Reporter, June 4, 1845, p. 135. Then as a conference they declared: "We are happy to accord our most hearty approval of the doings of the late Mutual Conference at Albany. The important truths there expressed, we regard as scriptural, and are the ones for the maintenance of which we have labored from the beginning."-Idem. To Be Distinguished From Seventh-day Adventists [Top of Document] These actions were taken by the First-Day group of Adventists. This body stood in contradistinction to the group beginning to accept the seventh-day Sabbath truth and, shortly thereafter, the sanctuary light. It should be distinctly understood in this connection that this minority group of Adventists, because of accepting the true Sabbath of the Bible, and because of their better understanding of the second advent of Christ through the ministration in the heavenly sanctuary, came to be known later, [250] and now continue to be known, as Seventh-day Adventists. They should in no way be confused with the First-day Adventists, who were in the majority at that time, and who have continued to the present day, though now in far smaller number than the Seventh-day Adventists. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 are brought, amid unfavorable circumstances, to the divinely appointed hour when the true gift of prophecy was to be manifest in the remnant church that had just begun to stress "the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Its beginning was under the severe handicap of prejudice, adverse conference actions by the main body of Adventists, and popular disgust over manifestly false visions fostered by the evil one to hamper the true manifestation that had just made its appearance. This true manifestation came at the appointed hour, to bear its early testimony of counsel and warning, instruction and entreaty, to the remnant church. It was submitted to the divinely appointed tests of the word and to examination by its fruits, as we shall see. Accepted because it met every test specified by the Scriptures of truth, the spirit of prophecy was received by this Sabbath-keeping company as the third of the three great distinguishing marks disclosed in the word as identifying the true church for the last days. Its blessed influence upon the life and expansion of the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the theme of the closing section of this book. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: daniel 11 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:08:35 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 205 Message-ID: <23545-4A2CD513-1038@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRTnzrMQynsphXnzqpZrXb8wZRZPAIUAugige6IoAB7ZY96tji+EG27exc= Content-Disposition: Inline Bytes: 11978 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:204 Why God hates Liberalism! The preamble for the "Time of the End" is found in the book of Daniel Ch11. 37 And to the God of his fathers he will give no consideration; and to the desire of women and to every other god he will give no consideration, but over everyone he will magnify himself "And to the God of his fathers he will give no consideration" In the middle of the 19th century Europe left Chris, for a religion based on Atheism. Evolution, Relativity, Abstact Geometry, science. "and to the desire of women'' he will give no consideration" " And as regards the daughter of womankind, it will be granted to him to bring her to ruin." Because of liberalism's fiminist movement womankind has been "brought to ruin" al laws pased by liberals do not consider Man's natural desire to dominate women, "to the desire of women'' he will give no consideration" Daniel 11:1-45 1 =E2=80=9CAnd as for me, in the first year of Da=B7ri=B4us the Mede I stood up as a strengthener and as a fortress to him. 2 And now what is truth I shall tell to you: =E2=80=9CLook! There will yet be three kings standing up for Persia, and the fourth one will amass greater riches than all [others]. And as soon as he has become strong in his riches, he will rouse up everything against the kingdom of Greece. 3 =E2=80=9CAnd a mighty king will certainly stand up and rule with extensive dominion and do according to his will. 4 And when he will have stood up, his kingdom will be broken and be divided toward the four winds of the heavens, but not to his posterity and not according to his dominion with which he had ruled; because his kingdom will be uprooted, even for others than these. 5 =E2=80=9CAnd the king of the south will become strong, even [one] of his princes; and he will prevail against him and will certainly rule with extensive dominion [greater than] that one=E2=80=99s ruling power. 6 =E2=80=9CAnd at the end of [some] years they will ally themselves with each other, and the very daughter of the king of the south will come to the king of the north in order to make an equitable arrangement. But she will not retain the power of her arm; and he will not stand, neither his arm; and she will be given up, she herself, and those bringing her in, and he who caused her birth, and the one making her strong in [those] times. 7 And one from the sprout of her roots will certainly stand up in his position, and he will come to the military force and come against the fortress of the king of the north and will certainly act against them and prevail. 8 And also with their gods, with their molten images, with their desirable articles of silver and of gold, [and] with the captives he will come to Egypt. And he himself will for [some] years stand off from the king of the north. 9 =E2=80=9CAnd he will actually come into the kingdom of the king of the south and go back to his own soil. 10 =E2=80=9CNow as for his sons, they will excite themselves and actually gather together a crowd of large military forces. And in coming he will certainly come and flood over and pass through. But he will go back, and he will excite himself all the way to his fortress. 11 =E2=80=9CAnd the king of the south will embitter himself and will have to go forth and fight with him, [that is,] with the king of the north; and he will certainly have a large crowd stand up, and the crowd will actually be given into the hand of that one. 12 And the crowd will certainly be carried away. His heart will become exalted, and he will actually cause tens of thousands to fall; but he will not use his strong position. 13 =E2=80=9CAnd the king of the north must return and set up a crowd larger than the first; and at the end of the times, [some] years, he will come, doing so with a great military force and with a great deal of goods. 14 And in those times there will be many who will stand up against the king of the south. =E2=80=9CAnd the sons of the robbers belonging to your people will, for their part, be carried along to try making a vision come true; and they will have to stumble. 15 =E2=80=9CAnd the king of the north will come and throw up a siege rampart and actually capture a city with fortifications. And as for the arms of the south, they will not stand, neither the people of his picked ones; and there will be no power to keep standing. 16 And the one coming against him will do according to his will, and there will be no one standing before him. And he will stand in the land of the Decoration, and there will be extermination in his hand. 17 And he will set his face to come with the forcefulness of his entire kingdom, and there will be equitable [terms] with him; and he will act effectively. And as regards the daughter of womankind, it will be granted to him to bring her to ruin. And she will not stand, and she will not continue to be his. 18 And he will turn his face back to the coastlands and will actually capture many. And a commander will have to make the reproach from him cease for himself, [so that] his reproach will not be. He will make it turn back upon that one. 19 And he will turn his face back to the fortresses of his [own] land, and he will certainly stumble and fall, and he will not be found. 20 =E2=80=9CAnd there must stand up in his position one who is causing an exactor to pass through the splendid kingdom, and in a few days he will be broken, but not in anger nor in warfare. 21 =E2=80=9CAnd there must stand up in his position one who is to be despised, and they will certainly not set upon him the dignity of [the] kingdom; and he will actually come in during a freedom from care and take hold of [the] kingdom by means of smoothness. 22 And as regards the arms of the flood, they will be flooded over on account of him, and they will be broken; as will also the Leader of [the] covenant. 23 And because of their allying themselves with him he will carry on deception and actually come up and become mighty by means of a little nation. 24 During freedom from care, even into the fatness of the jurisdictional district he will enter in and actually do what his fathers and the fathers of his fathers have not done. Plunder and spoil and goods he will scatter among them; and against fortified places he will scheme out his schemes, but only until a time. 25 =E2=80=9CAnd he will arouse his power and his heart against the king of the south with a great military force; and the king of the south, for his part, will excite himself for the war with an exceedingly great and mighty military force. And he will not stand, because they will scheme out against him schemes. 26 And the very ones eating his delicacies will bring his breakdown. =E2=80=9CAnd as for his military force, it will be flooded away, and many will certainly fall down slain. 27 =E2=80=9CAnd as regards these two kings, their heart will be inclined to doing what is bad, and at one table a lie is what they will keep speaking. But nothing will succeed, because [the] end is yet for the time appointed. 28 =E2=80=9CAnd he will go back to his land with a great amount of goods, and his heart will be against the holy covenant. And he will act effectively and certainly go back to his land. 29 =E2=80=9CAt the time appointed he will go back, and he will actually come against the south; but it will not prove to be at the last the same as at the first. 30 And there will certainly come against him the ships of Kit=B4tim, and he will have to become dejected. =E2=80=9CAnd he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant. 31 And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature]. =E2=80=9CAnd they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation. 32 =E2=80=9CAnd those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively. 33 And as regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many. And they will certainly be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for [some] days. 34 But when they are made to stumble they will be helped with a little help; and many will certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness. 35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed. 36 =E2=80=9CAnd the king will actually do according to his own will, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak marvelous things. And he will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish; because the thing decided upon must be done. 37 And to the God of his fathers he will give no consideration; and to the desire of women and to every other god he will give no consideration, but over everyone he will magnify himself. 38 But to the god of fortresses, in his position he will give glory; and to a god that his fathers did not know he will give glory by means of gold and by means of silver and by means of precious stone and by means of desirable things. 39 And he will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds, along with a foreign god. Whoever has given [him] recognition he will make abound with glory, and he will actually make them rule among many; and [the] ground he will apportion out for a price. 40 =E2=80=9CAnd in the time of [the] end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through. 41 He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [lands] that will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand, E=B4dom and Mo=B4ab and the main part of the sons of Am=B4mon. 42 And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not prove to be an escapee. 43 And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Lib=B4y=B7ans and the E=B7thi=B7o=B4pi=B7ans will be at his steps. 44 =E2=80=9CBut there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. 45 And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.unit0.net!feeder.news-service.com!lightspeed.eweka.nl!81.171.88.16.MISMATCH!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!195.245.201.2.MISMATCH!news.clara.net!wagner.news.clara.net!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Why God hates Liberalism! The preamble for the "Time of the End" is f Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 04:11:12 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 205 Message-ID: <23545-4A2CD5B0-1039@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQ/jBJEAlGjDtWH5vjmZSAwdYHvdwIVAIpFcbFoNir7cw50FVKuUu9J9FvY Content-Disposition: Inline Bytes: 12222 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:205 Why God hates Liberalism! The preamble for the "Time of the End" is found in the book of Daniel Ch11. 37 And to the God of his fathers he will give no consideration; and to the desire of women and to every other god he will give no consideration, but over everyone he will magnify himself "And to the God of his fathers he will give no consideration" In the middle of the 19th century Europe left Chris, for a religion based on Atheism. Evolution, Relativity, Abstact Geometry, science. "and to the desire of women'' he will give no consideration" " And as regards the daughter of womankind, it will be granted to him to bring her to ruin." Because of liberalism's fiminist movement womankind has been "brought to ruin" al laws pased by liberals do not consider Man's natural desire to dominate women, "to the desire of women'' he will give no consideration" Daniel 11:1-45 1 =E2=80=9CAnd as for me, in the first year of Da=B7ri=B4us the Mede I stood up as a strengthener and as a fortress to him. 2 And now what is truth I shall tell to you: =E2=80=9CLook! There will yet be three kings standing up for Persia, and the fourth one will amass greater riches than all [others]. And as soon as he has become strong in his riches, he will rouse up everything against the kingdom of Greece. 3 =E2=80=9CAnd a mighty king will certainly stand up and rule with extensive dominion and do according to his will. 4 And when he will have stood up, his kingdom will be broken and be divided toward the four winds of the heavens, but not to his posterity and not according to his dominion with which he had ruled; because his kingdom will be uprooted, even for others than these. 5 =E2=80=9CAnd the king of the south will become strong, even [one] of his princes; and he will prevail against him and will certainly rule with extensive dominion [greater than] that one=E2=80=99s ruling power. 6 =E2=80=9CAnd at the end of [some] years they will ally themselves with each other, and the very daughter of the king of the south will come to the king of the north in order to make an equitable arrangement. But she will not retain the power of her arm; and he will not stand, neither his arm; and she will be given up, she herself, and those bringing her in, and he who caused her birth, and the one making her strong in [those] times. 7 And one from the sprout of her roots will certainly stand up in his position, and he will come to the military force and come against the fortress of the king of the north and will certainly act against them and prevail. 8 And also with their gods, with their molten images, with their desirable articles of silver and of gold, [and] with the captives he will come to Egypt. And he himself will for [some] years stand off from the king of the north. 9 =E2=80=9CAnd he will actually come into the kingdom of the king of the south and go back to his own soil. 10 =E2=80=9CNow as for his sons, they will excite themselves and actually gather together a crowd of large military forces. And in coming he will certainly come and flood over and pass through. But he will go back, and he will excite himself all the way to his fortress. 11 =E2=80=9CAnd the king of the south will embitter himself and will have to go forth and fight with him, [that is,] with the king of the north; and he will certainly have a large crowd stand up, and the crowd will actually be given into the hand of that one. 12 And the crowd will certainly be carried away. His heart will become exalted, and he will actually cause tens of thousands to fall; but he will not use his strong position. 13 =E2=80=9CAnd the king of the north must return and set up a crowd larger than the first; and at the end of the times, [some] years, he will come, doing so with a great military force and with a great deal of goods. 14 And in those times there will be many who will stand up against the king of the south. =E2=80=9CAnd the sons of the robbers belonging to your people will, for their part, be carried along to try making a vision come true; and they will have to stumble. 15 =E2=80=9CAnd the king of the north will come and throw up a siege rampart and actually capture a city with fortifications. And as for the arms of the south, they will not stand, neither the people of his picked ones; and there will be no power to keep standing. 16 And the one coming against him will do according to his will, and there will be no one standing before him. And he will stand in the land of the Decoration, and there will be extermination in his hand. 17 And he will set his face to come with the forcefulness of his entire kingdom, and there will be equitable [terms] with him; and he will act effectively. And as regards the daughter of womankind, it will be granted to him to bring her to ruin. And she will not stand, and she will not continue to be his. 18 And he will turn his face back to the coastlands and will actually capture many. And a commander will have to make the reproach from him cease for himself, [so that] his reproach will not be. He will make it turn back upon that one. 19 And he will turn his face back to the fortresses of his [own] land, and he will certainly stumble and fall, and he will not be found. 20 =E2=80=9CAnd there must stand up in his position one who is causing an exactor to pass through the splendid kingdom, and in a few days he will be broken, but not in anger nor in warfare. 21 =E2=80=9CAnd there must stand up in his position one who is to be despised, and they will certainly not set upon him the dignity of [the] kingdom; and he will actually come in during a freedom from care and take hold of [the] kingdom by means of smoothness. 22 And as regards the arms of the flood, they will be flooded over on account of him, and they will be broken; as will also the Leader of [the] covenant. 23 And because of their allying themselves with him he will carry on deception and actually come up and become mighty by means of a little nation. 24 During freedom from care, even into the fatness of the jurisdictional district he will enter in and actually do what his fathers and the fathers of his fathers have not done. Plunder and spoil and goods he will scatter among them; and against fortified places he will scheme out his schemes, but only until a time. 25 =E2=80=9CAnd he will arouse his power and his heart against the king of the south with a great military force; and the king of the south, for his part, will excite himself for the war with an exceedingly great and mighty military force. And he will not stand, because they will scheme out against him schemes. 26 And the very ones eating his delicacies will bring his breakdown. =E2=80=9CAnd as for his military force, it will be flooded away, and many will certainly fall down slain. 27 =E2=80=9CAnd as regards these two kings, their heart will be inclined to doing what is bad, and at one table a lie is what they will keep speaking. But nothing will succeed, because [the] end is yet for the time appointed. 28 =E2=80=9CAnd he will go back to his land with a great amount of goods, and his heart will be against the holy covenant. And he will act effectively and certainly go back to his land. 29 =E2=80=9CAt the time appointed he will go back, and he will actually come against the south; but it will not prove to be at the last the same as at the first. 30 And there will certainly come against him the ships of Kit=B4tim, and he will have to become dejected. =E2=80=9CAnd he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant. 31 And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant [feature]. =E2=80=9CAnd they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation. 32 =E2=80=9CAnd those who are acting wickedly against [the] covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But as regards the people who are knowing their God, they will prevail and act effectively. 33 And as regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many. And they will certainly be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for [some] days. 34 But when they are made to stumble they will be helped with a little help; and many will certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness. 35 And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed. 36 =E2=80=9CAnd the king will actually do according to his own will, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak marvelous things. And he will certainly prove successful until [the] denunciation will have come to a finish; because the thing decided upon must be done. 37 And to the God of his fathers he will give no consideration; and to the desire of women and to every other god he will give no consideration, but over everyone he will magnify himself. 38 But to the god of fortresses, in his position he will give glory; and to a god that his fathers did not know he will give glory by means of gold and by means of silver and by means of precious stone and by means of desirable things. 39 And he will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds, along with a foreign god. Whoever has given [him] recognition he will make abound with glory, and he will actually make them rule among many; and [the] ground he will apportion out for a price. 40 =E2=80=9CAnd in the time of [the] end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships; and he will certainly enter into the lands and flood over and pass through. 41 He will also actually enter into the land of the Decoration, and there will be many [lands] that will be made to stumble. But these are the ones that will escape out of his hand, E=B4dom and Mo=B4ab and the main part of the sons of Am=B4mon. 42 And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands; and as regards the land of Egypt, she will not prove to be an escapee. 43 And he will actually rule over the hidden treasures of the gold and the silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Lib=B4y=B7ans and the E=B7thi=B7o=B4pi=B7ans will be at his steps. 44 =E2=80=9CBut there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. 45 And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.kpn.net!pfeed08.wxs.nl!ramfeed-1.ams.xsnews.nl!feed.xsnews.nl!border-3.ams.xsnews.nl!feeder.news-service.com!cyclone01.ams2.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-in-02.newsfeed.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!feed.news.qwest.net!mpls-nntp-08.inet.qwest.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Flagrant Homosexuality in the Last Days Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:14:25 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 30 Message-ID: <21986-4A50FB91-2656@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAtR/yiqwKrjPr6OlPR7sATJbi5TwCFHIpH2gNjXlQfAcK0ao6hMhLF2T1 Content-Disposition: Inline Bytes: 2717 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:208 Flagrant Homosexuality in the Last Days Group: alt.discuss.god-talk.christian Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2009, 12:53pm (CDT+1) From: southpaul@webtv.net (=86=86=86Paul=86=86=86=86) Flagrant Homosexuality in the Last Days Luke 17:28-30=A0 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man. As it was in the days of Lot (rampant sodomy)...even thus shall it be in the day when (Jesus returns) Romans 1:24,26-28=A0 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Uncleanness...lusts...dishonor their bodies...vile affections...against nature...working that which is unseemly 2timothy 3:3=A0 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, In the last days...men shall be without natural affection (See also Gen.9:20-27; 13:12,13; 18:18-33; 19:1-30; 2Peter 2:6-8. FALSE MESSIAHS.COM From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!colt.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.clara.net!mephistopheles.news.clara.net!feed2.jnfs.ja.net!feed4.jnfs.ja.net!jnfs.ja.net!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: roman 9 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 04:37:07 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 78 Message-ID: <21988-4A51C5C3-1016@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUApHRk1G9fSSEASWIqivmvpA8ObrECFQCjZiSVpifvpbgC8IGV5Y6VNdiIeQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Bytes: 5784 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:209 Romans 9:1-33 1 I am telling the truth in Christ; I am not lying, since my conscience bears witness with me in holy spirit, 2 that I have great grief and unceasing pain in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were separated as the cursed one from the Christ in behalf of my brothers, my relatives according to the flesh, 4 who, as such, are Israelites, to whom belong the adoption as sons and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the Law and the sacred service and the promises; 5 to whom the forefathers belong and from whom the Christ [sprang] according to the flesh: God, who is over all, [be] blessed forever. Amen. 6 However, it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who [spring] from Israel are really =E2=80=9CIsrael.=E2=80=9D 7 Neither because they are Abraham=E2=80=99s seed are they all children, but: =E2=80=9CWhat will be called =E2=80=98your seed=E2=80=99 will be through Isaac.=E2=80=9D 8 That is, the children in the flesh are not really the children of God, but the children by the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For the word of promise was as follows: =E2=80=9CAt this time I will come and Sarah will have a son.=E2=80=9D 10 Yet not that case alone, but also when Re=B7bek=B4ah conceived twins from the one [man], Isaac our forefather: 11 for when they had not yet been born nor had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works, but upon the One who calls, 12 it was said to her: =E2=80=9CThe older will be the slave of the younger.=E2=80=9D 13 Just as it is written: =E2=80=9CI loved Jacob, but E=B4sau I hated.=E2=80=9D 14 What shall we say, then? Is there injustice with God? Never may that become so! 15 For he says to Moses: =E2=80=9CI will have mercy upon whomever I do have mercy, and I will show compassion to whomever I do show compassion.=E2=80=9D 16 So, then, it depends, not upon the one wishing nor upon the one running, but upon God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Phar=B4aoh: =E2=80=9CFor this very cause I have let you remain, that in connection with you I may show my power, and that my name may be declared in all the earth.=E2=80=9D 18 So, then, upon whom he wishes he has mercy, but whom he wishes he lets become obstinate. 19 You will therefore say to me: =E2=80=9CWhy does he yet find fault? For who has withstood his express will?=E2=80=9D 20 O man, who, then, really are you to be answering back to God? Shall the thing molded say to him that molded it, =E2=80=9CWhy did you make me this way?=E2=80=9D 21 What? Does not the potter have authority over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for an honorable use, another for a dishonorable use? 22 If, now, God, although having the will to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, tolerated with much long-suffering vessels of wrath made fit for destruction, 23 in order that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory, 24 namely, us, whom he called not only from among Jews but also from among nations, [what of it]? 25 It is as he says also in Ho=B7se=B4a: =E2=80=9CThose not my people I will call =E2=80=98my people,=E2=80=99 and her who was not beloved =E2=80=98beloved=E2=80=99; 26 and in the place where it was said to them, =E2=80=98YOU are not my people,=E2=80=99 there they will be called =E2=80=98sons of the living God.=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D 27 Moreover, Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: =E2=80=9CAlthough the number of the sons of Israel may be as the sand of the sea, it is the remnant that will be saved. 28 For Jehovah will make an accounting on the earth, concluding it and cutting it short.=E2=80=9D 29 Also, just as Isaiah had said aforetime: =E2=80=9CUnless Jehovah of armies had left a seed to us, we should have become just like Sod=B4om, and we should have been made just like Go=B7mor=B4rah.=E2=80=9D 30 What shall we say, then? That people of the nations, although not pursuing righteousness, caught up with righteousness, the righteousness that results from faith; 31 but Israel, although pursuing a law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. 32 For what reason? Because he pursued it, not by faith, but as by works. They stumbled on the =E2=80=9Cstone of stumbling=E2=80=9D; 33 as it is written: =E2=80=9CLook! I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense, but he that rests his faith on it will not come to disappointment.=E2=80=9D New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures Home | Beliefs | Future | Medical | Topics | Contact Us | Publications | Languages | Search | Index =A0 Links to All Bible Books Copyright =A9 2006 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. All rights reserved. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.unit0.net!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!81.171.88.15.MISMATCH!eweka.nl!lightspeed.eweka.nl!zen.net.uk!hamilton.zen.co.uk!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Jeremiah 2:1-37 1 And the word of Jehovah proceeded to occur to me Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:43:16 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 119 Message-ID: <11399-4A547844-5@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRJTCJx2fH5jN51O4CtIyAGKBHwxQIUcnVW2vGp76o9alduW1CwDB/3chk= Content-Disposition: Inline Bytes: 8530 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:210 Jeremiah 2:1-37 1 And the word of Jehovah proceeded to occur to me, saying: 2 =E2=80=9CGo, and you must call out in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, =E2=80=98This is what Jehovah has said: =E2=80=9CI well remember, on your part, the loving-kindness of your youth, the love during your being engaged to marry, your walking after me in the wilderness, in a land not sown with seed. 3 Israel was something holy to Jehovah, the first yield to Him.=E2=80=9D=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98Any persons devouring him would make themselves guilty. Calamity itself would come upon them,=E2=80=99 was the utterance of Jehovah.=E2=80=9D 4 Hear the word of Jehovah, O house of Jacob, and all YOU families of the house of Israel. 5 This is what Jehovah has said: =E2=80=9CWhat have YOUR fathers found in me that was unjust, so that they have become far off from me, and they kept walking after the vain idol and becoming vain themselves? 6 And they have not said, =E2=80=98Where is Jehovah, the One bringing us up out of the land of Egypt, the One walking us through the wilderness, through a land of desert plain and pit, through a land of no water and of deep shadow, through a land through which no man passed and in which no earthling man dwelt?=E2=80=99 7 =E2=80=9CAnd I gradually brought YOU to a land of the orchard, to eat its fruitage and its good things. But YOU came in and defiled my land; and my own inheritance YOU made something detestable. 8 The priests themselves did not say, =E2=80=98Where is Jehovah?=E2=80=99 And the very ones handling the law did not know me; and the shepherds themselves transgressed against me, and even the prophets prophesied by Ba=B4al, and after those who could bring no benefit they walked. 9 =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Therefore I shall contend further with YOU people,=E2=80=99 is the utterance of Jehovah, =E2=80=98and with the sons of YOUR sons I shall contend.=E2=80=99 10 =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98But pass over to the coastlands of the Kit=B4tim and see. Yes, send even to Ke=B4dar and give YOUR special consideration, and see whether anything like this has happened. 11 Has a nation exchanged gods, even for those that are no gods? But my own people have exchanged my glory for what can bring no benefit. 12 Stare in amazement, O YOU heavens, at this; and bristle up in very great horror,=E2=80=99 is the utterance of Jehovah, 13 =E2=80=98because there are two bad things that my people have done: They have left even me, the source of living water, in order to hew out for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns, that cannot contain the water.=E2=80=99 14 =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Is Israel a servant, or a slave born in the household? Why is it that he has come to be for plunder? 15 Against him maned young lions roar; they have given out their voice. And they went making his land an object of astonishment. His own cities have been set afire, so that there is no inhabitant. 16 Even the sons of Noph and Tah=B4pan=B7es themselves kept feeding on you at the crown of the head. 17 Is not this what you proceeded to do to yourself by your leaving Jehovah your God during the time of [his] walking you in the way? 18 And now what concern should you have for the way of Egypt in order to drink the waters of Shi=B4hor? And what concern should you have for the way of As=B7syr=B4i=B7a in order to drink the waters of the River? 19 Your badness should correct you, and your own acts of unfaithfulness should reprove you. Know, then, and see that your leaving Jehovah your God is something bad and bitter, and no dread of me [has resulted] to you,=E2=80=99 is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord, Jehovah of armies. 20 =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98For long ago I broke your yoke to pieces; I tore your bands apart. But you said: =E2=80=9CI am not going to serve,=E2=80=9D for upon every high hill and under every luxuriant tree you were lying sprawled out, prostituting yourself. 21 And as for me, I had planted you as a choice red vine, all of it a true seed. So how have you been changed toward me into the degenerate [shoots] of a foreign vine?=E2=80=99 22 =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98But though you should do the washing with alkali and take to yourself large quantities of lye, your error would certainly be a stain before me,=E2=80=99 is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. 23 How can you say, =E2=80=98I have not defiled myself. After the Ba=B4als I have not walked=E2=80=99? See your way in the valley. Take note of what you have done. A swift young she-camel aimlessly running to and fro in her ways; 24 a zebra accustomed to the wilderness, at the craving of her soul, snuffing up the wind; at her time for copulation, who can turn her back? All those who are looking for her will not go tiring themselves out. In her month they will find her. 25 Hold your foot back from [becoming] barefoot, and your throat from thirst. But you proceeded to say, =E2=80=98It is hopeless! No, but I have fallen in love with strangers, and after them I am going to walk.=E2=80=99 26 =E2=80=9CAs with the shame of a thief when he is found out, so those of the house of Israel have felt shame, they, their kings, their princes and their priests and their prophets. 27 They are saying to a tree, =E2=80=98You are my father,=E2=80=99 and to a stone, =E2=80=98You yourself brought me to birth.=E2=80=99 But to me they have turned the back of the neck and not the face. And in the time of their calamity they will say, =E2=80=98Do rise up and save us!=E2=80=99 28 =E2=80=9CBut where are your gods that you have made for yourself? Let them rise up if they can save you in the time of your calamity. For as the number of your cities your gods have become, O Judah. 29 =E2=80=9C=E2=80=98Why do YOU people keep contending against me? Why have YOU transgressed, all of YOU, against me?=E2=80=99 is the utterance of Jehovah. 30 To no effect I have struck YOUR sons. No discipline did they take. YOUR sword has devoured YOUR prophets, like a lion that is causing ruin. 31 O generation, see for yourselves the word of Jehovah. =E2=80=9CHave I become a mere wilderness to Israel or a land of intense darkness? Why is it that these, my people, have said, =E2=80=98We have roamed. We shall come to you no more=E2=80=99? 32 Can a virgin forget her ornaments, a bride her breastbands? And yet my own people=E2=80"they have forgotten me days without number. 33 =E2=80=9CWhy do you, O woman, improve your way in order to look for love? Therefore it has also been in bad things that you have taught your ways. 34 Also, in your skirts there have been found the blood marks of the souls of the innocent poor ones. Not in the act of breaking in have I found them, but [they are] upon all these. 35 =E2=80=9CBut you say, =E2=80=98I have remained innocent. Surely his anger has turned back from me.=E2=80=99 =E2=80=9CHere I am entering into controversy with you on account of your saying, =E2=80=98I have not sinned.=E2=80=99 36 Why do you treat as very insignificant the changing of your way? Of Egypt, too, you will become ashamed, just as you became ashamed of As=B7syr=B4i=B7a. 37 For this cause also you will go forth with your hands upon your head, because Jehovah has rejected the objects of your confidence, and you will have no success with them.=E2=80=9D New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures Home | Beliefs | Future | Medical | Topics | Contact Us | Publications | Languages | Search | Index =A0 Links to All Bible Books Copyright =A9 2006 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. All rights reserved. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams3.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!209.197.12.242.MISMATCH!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!198.186.194.249.MISMATCH!transit3.readnews.com!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!216.40.28.145.MISMATCH!novia!news-out.octanews.net!mauve.octanews.net!feed.news.qwest.net!mpls-nntp-03.inet.qwest.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: leonard-abbott@webtv.net (Leonard Abbott) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Volcanic ash, Meteorites, food shortages earth quakes in one place Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:13:18 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7793-4BC9C1FE-1357@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRU/P4ZQSx4Jqw5v09kBMSLTNYCzAIVAJzWt4locYcQ7iShD9qy1iNnykLC Content-Disposition: Inline Bytes: 2035 X-Original-Bytes: 1980 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:214 Volcanic ash, Meteorites, food shortages earth quakes in one place and another Volcanic ash, Meteorites, food shortages Matt 24;3 While he was sitting upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: Tell us, When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?=9D Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven,''there will be food shortages. earth quakes in one place in on place and another A larger Meteorite ( long sword )Rev 6:8 COULD strike the Middle East in the near future.. We may have to help Europe with food, because the Ash will affect food supply..Now is planting season..the ash could remain for months.. From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: num2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!num1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!number.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:38:34 -0500 From: "Frank" Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: Though World Insist Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:38:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18197 Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.243.97.189 X-Trace: sv3-2J550iRrbs3S62nf80gq/LK/bSRwTugnQB4DsE+o0/WhUL2aLFN2il5TInjUPM2XWk/S15bBWCpF+7V!EdUgi2qXT7MUjL1Qrh12yams48qPDevL8sGfR7iVGRcb/gRAhtqmxPTO6CWe+zc+MPtX94Hr4vJY!yJbT7WQm71vKl0qTc6vs03SCFeLh8Oo= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 1664 X-Original-Bytes: 1600 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:215 Though the whole world should insist, except for relatively few, that it does not need the Gospel as Christ showed for the Reformation, the Biblical Gospel, the only one that saves, God will not save anyone refusing it. At my website you will find what you will not in ten thousand denominations: the Reformation Gospel as it was the moment Christ gave it. -- http://roines.home.mindspring.com From nobody Wed Dec 7 12:27:51 2016 Path: border1.nntp.ams3.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed20.multikabel.net!multikabel.net!newsfeed10.multikabel.net!feed.news.qwest.net!mpls-nntp-04.inet.qwest.net!newsfeed-3001.bay.webtv.net!newssorter-3001.bay.webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Krissy_N_Marc@webtv.net (Krissy and Marc G) Newsgroups: talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite Subject: MARC JOSEPH IRONWOOD Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 03:39:25 -0400 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1179-4DF1CA2D-4521@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRCGKc4ia8u0yLEFb+ErfQ4AOVsEwIUKfwxLuCCDoZdsdFfBSZhKcHUk7c= Content-Disposition: Inline Bytes: 1389 X-Original-Bytes: 1334 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com talk.religion.christian.protestant.mennonite:216 Marc Joseph Ironwood announced in May of 2011, that he was resigning from writing solo projects. This announcement comes a few months after his Christian poem "Broken Gates" was released on the literature project of the same name. http://marcironwood.angelfire.com "Broken Gates" was a wonderful poem that spoke about the power of Jesus Christ, set the captives free !